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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As stated in the hearing, they are already in the market. No one can really opt out. Sooner or later they are hurt or will become seriously ill and will be treated.
    Nope, not good enough...I didn't carry health insurance after I got out of the Army, until I was in my mid 30s. Until then everything I used health care for, was paid cash. It is foolish to think that when you are young that everyone is going to be either seriously hurt, or ill.

    you cannot really opt out of getting care, and those who are not insured too often pass that cost onto the rest of us.
    So, make those responsible for getting the care, responsible for paying for it. It is a cop out to say in a general sense that 'everyone' or 'all'. Look, here in SC, you don't pay your hospital bill, they take your tax return....

    Like the uninsured driver...
    Woah....Stop right there. it is an apples and bull dozers argument to compare health insurance to auto insurance.

    it is the financial harm they cause others that leads to this needing to be mandated.
    Please provide me the federal mandate covering Auto insurance....I'll wait


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I don't buy the argument that people who aren't purchasing health insurance are driving prices up. It's this law requiring insurance companies to cover anyone who wants insurance that is driving up prices. The only real way to create a healthcare system that is going to both work and comply with the Constitution is a single-payer system.
    As in most cases, there is more than one thing involved, but the point is, someone will pay for them if they are irresponsible. They really cannot opt out.

    And yes, I agree that a single payer system is the best and most logical answer. I think we agree on that.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yes, I agree that a single payer system is the best and most logical answer. I think we agree on that.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't really want that either. I think it's a unnecessary intrusion into liberty. But it is a more efficient way to change our health care system and, more importantly, a Constitutional way of doing it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, not good enough...I didn't carry health insurance after I got out of the Army, until I was in my mid 30s. Until then everything I used health care for, was paid cash. It is foolish to think that when you are young that everyone is going to be either seriously hurt, or ill.
    Not sure why you think that matters. As in all things, some people get lucky, Others don't. had you been unlucky, you'd have been part of the statistics of people responsible people paid for.

    And please, lose the Bush all or nothing thinking. There's a range, with people falling all over the spectrum.

    So, make those responsible for getting the care, responsible for paying for it. It is a cop out to say in a general sense that 'everyone' or 'all'. Look, here in SC, you don't pay your hospital bill, they take your tax return....
    it really can't be done without denying emergency care. As a people, we've been unwilling to do that. But you're free to argue we should.


    Woah....Stop right there. it is an apples and bull dozers argument to compare health insurance to auto insurance.
    Nope, they are quite similar in terms of the rationale.



    Please provide me the federal mandate covering Auto insurance....I'll wait


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    Don't have to. State government is as much government as federal. It really makes no difference to the rationale, to what is currently being argued. If you want to change the debate, admitting that they are similar, but that it needs to mandated at a state level, then that should be the argument you want advanced to the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I don't really want that either. I think it's a unnecessary intrusion into liberty. But it is a more efficient way to change our health care system and, more importantly, a Constitutional way of doing it.
    I don't see it as an intrusion. Those who can afford it would still be able to afford and would have nothing taken away. Those who can't afford it would merely have better access. Let's face it, for those without that would be freeing.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    It really makes no difference to the rationale, to what is currently being argued. If you want to change the debate, admitting that they are similar, but that it needs to mandated at a state level, then that should be the argument you want advanced to the SCOTUS.
    Actually, I would see the individual mandate working much better at a state level. I'm not very familiar with the Massachusetts policy, but apparently it worked for them there and since (as far as I know) it is still the law there, the Massachusetts Constitution is also apparently fine with it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Actually, I would see the individual mandate working much better at a state level. I'm not very familiar with the Massachusetts policy, but apparently it worked for them there and since (as far as I know) it is still the law there, the Massachusetts Constitution is also apparently fine with it.
    It might, but as I said, that should be the argument. I think states failure to address the problem is what opens the door for the feds.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't see it as an intrusion.
    That's probably something we'll never see eye to eye on. The way I see it, the more government intervenes in my life the less freedom I have.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    That's probably something we'll never see eye to eye on. The way I see it, the more government intervenes in my life the less freedom I have.
    you're likely correct, but intrusion implies something different. Providing access, opening doors, meeting needs and solving problems doesn't seem to fit the definition of intrusion to me.

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure why you think that matters. As in all things, some people get lucky, Others don't. had you been unlucky, you'd have been part of the statistics of people responsible people paid for.
    After I told you that health care I used I paid for, you can still say that someone else would have to pay for me? That is some real convoluted thinking you got there Joe.

    And please, lose the Bush all or nothing thinking.
    Stop with the foolish Axlerod style character appeals to emotion and then we can talk.....

    it really can't be done without denying emergency care. As a people, we've been unwilling to do that. But you're free to argue we should.
    Bull. Maybe you should stick to teaching English.

    Nope, they are quite similar in terms of the rationale.
    Nope, wrong again. One is to cover others for your own possible mistake, and the other is to cover yourself.

    Don't have to. State government is as much government as federal.

    OMG....FAIL! Read the Constitution dude.... This statement is so good, I am going to use it in my quotes of the mindless at the bottom of the page when I post....

    Keep in mind people, these are the people teaching our kids.


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