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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What part did you disagree with?
    Your editing. I clearly said both parties. And your pity party whine about the poor, poor christian white male. It was about as silly as it gets.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I submit that you have time to grow up now that you are free of the union you were in.
    I submit that you are unable to accept the Pittsburgh Steel story because you do not want to admit that unions behave as I described.
    I submit that your history of the labor movement is colored by your life immersed in unionism.
    (chuckle) Wrong again booboo. I lived and studied labor history. Your steel story is so full of holes that it's not credible. I've spent thirty yers of my life around some of the most radical union people anyone could meet; their radicalism was restricted to employers who deserved it.

    Lastly, my further education is going very well too. After my degree, and things look up in the job market, my experience with labor and as a court mediator will make me solid gold and my life's experience will serve me well in working with younger people.

    So, that's what I'm doing. Oh, and my union pension will become a true asset (taxed capital gains thank you), and I'll have big bucks in no time.

    So: UNION YES
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it is paid for by taxes. We all know that. And during our most successful years of this nation, the wealthy paid more in taxes than they do now. How terrible.
    Only they didn't. I believe we have been through this. They had high marginal rates and many, many options to shelter their money. The shelters were eliminated in return for lowering the marginal rates. Also, why do ascribe to the idea that if I create more wealth the government should have a right to demand not only more dollars but a higher percentage of the wealth I create? I understand the love affair with Radical Karl's formulation (From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs). But I do not understand how something so un-American could take root here and dominate.

    Still, that is another issue. The fact remains, once you fire someone, they are unemployed.
    When we fire a busybody bureaucrat we win twice. First we stop paying them with our taxes. They are no longer a direct drain on our wealth. Second, they stop harassing us with more and more rules and regulations. We should fire them as quickly as we can and eliminate all the stupid regulations they came up with. For satisfaction's sake I would love to see us close down agencies and jail the leaders and their supporters in Congress.

    And taxes don't effect jobs in the private sector much at all.
    Then why not tax corporations 100%?

    Unemployment will hurt them much more, as there will be less people with the money to buy anything. You do need to know how this works. Employers don't take tax cuts and create jobs, and if there are buyers, tax increases won't stop them from meeting the need of buyers.
    If you have to pay a dollar less in taxes because you are no longer paying some busybody bureaucrat to make up rules that you must comply with what will you do with that extra dollar?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your editing. I clearly said both parties. And your pity party whine about the poor, poor christian white male. It was about as silly as it gets.

    Here is what I said.

    I read this several times and it did not make sense to me. Then I thought that maybe you had used a wrong word. I changed the word and it began to make sense to me: "one party has been effective in using workers while seemingly ignoring not only their responsibility..."

    I agree that the democratic party has figured out how to use workers as well as to divide everyone into pretty little groups, some black who when dead look like the son the president never had; some unmarried women; some working women; some stay-at-home-moms, some illegal aliens; some gay, lesbian and in-betweens; some rich millionaires and billionaires, meaning anyone who earns 250K per year; some secretaries (as in Buffet's and Obama's) who pay a greater tax rate than their bosses.

    And even one who must be demonized by all of the others, the evil white Christian man.
    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party uses workers?
    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party divides us up onto little groups in order to pit one group against another?
    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party demonizes white, especially if they are Christian, men?

    I am trying to make this easy for you.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 04-22-12 at 10:49 AM.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Here is what I said.



    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party uses workers?
    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party divides us up onto little groups in order to pit one group against another?
    Are you disagreeing that the democratic party demonizes white, especially if they are Christian, men?

    I am trying to make this easy for you.
    I know what you said. You edit to include only one party. And then went on to whine. But let me help:

    The workers have very little support, period. Democrats give more lip service, but they take no more advantage of workers than republicans do. Both abuse and take advantage of the worker, giving back very little. But what little workers get most often comes from democrats. But not enough for anyone to sing their prasies.

    Both parties divide us into groups. Only an idiot doesn't see that.

    And no, no one really demoizes white males,Christian or otherwise. And no politiicain demonizes Chritians at all. Too many conservative Chrisitans just look like whining little children when the take offense at every little misunderstanding (or deliberate mischaracterization) they mae or have.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know what you said. You edit to include only one party. And then went on to whine. But let me help:

    The workers have very little support, period. Democrats give more lip service, but they take no more advantage of workers than republicans do. Both abuse and take advantage of the worker, giving back very little. But what little workers get most often comes from democrats. But not enough for anyone to sing their prasies.

    Both parties divide us into groups. Only an idiot doesn't see that.

    And no, no one really demoizes white males,Christian or otherwise. And no politiicain demonizes Chritians at all. Too many conservative Chrisitans just look like whining little children when the take offense at every little misunderstanding (or deliberate mischaracterization) they mae or have.
    One party, the democratic party consistently uses people. Consistently.
    One party consistently demonizes white male Christians.

    We shall have to agree to disagree.
    <but secretly, deep down inside, you know that I am right>

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    One party, the democratic party consistently uses people. Consistently.
    One party consistently demonizes white male Christians.

    We shall have to agree to disagree.
    <but secretly, deep down inside, you know that I am right>
    You are mistaken. And it isn't an opinion. Any objective analysis would show both parties use people, consistently. Both misrepresnt people as well. Both demonize. Both lie. Both mislead. Both are corrupt. But no party demonizes chrisitans of any gender. Candidates in both party will go to a christian church. Both will walk the walk, without either necessarily walking the walk. Being anti-christian in this country is political suicide.

    However, white males with low self esteem, see a threat from anyone who talks about equality. And organized religion, like politicians, fully understand the politics of fear. Fear helps fill the pews. And for some, I repeat some conservatives, this is what they fear, picking on the christian.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You either clearly do not know what happens, or you are not going to answer it because you know that they are then pushed off on the taxpayer through the Federal pension guarantee program.

    Welcome to PBGC



    1) What makes them special? Most people who work in this country contribute to a 401K for their retirement, along with employer contribution match if you're lucky.

    2) Unions destroy job opportunities. Tell me, If I want to work for a company that has union employment, then why must I join their union?

    j-mac
    I don't understand this line of thinking. America had it's greatest prosperity, and very low unemployment, under Dwight Eisenhower, and it was during this time that unions were strongest. Care to tell me how unions contributed to the destruction of jobs during that era?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't understand this line of thinking. America had it's greatest prosperity, and very low unemployment, under Dwight Eisenhower, and it was during this time that unions were strongest. Care to tell me how unions contributed to the destruction of jobs during that era?
    It was also a time when the rest of the world's factories were largely in ruins and there was a ton of pent up demand after the war. Can this site evolve from these simplistic and wrong analogies?

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