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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about and are only embarassing yourself.
    Are you saying that none of that is true?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about and are only embarassing yourself.
    I will take my chances. I am a free man. You are a union man. You were in a private sector union, were you not? Are you claiming a better knowledge of how public sector unions work because of it? I had my share of unions when I helped solve a problem at Pittsburgh Steel some years ago. Just one example, I had a union thug follow me around all day to make sure I did not pick up any of the printers. That was a union job. So if I needed the model number off the bottom of the printer I had to fill out a work request and wait for some union lacky to come over to pick it up. The Union I was exposed to seemed pro-socialist, anti-American, wasters.

    Your mileage, as you are a union man, may vary.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet the US went into a recession not too long ago because of why? Politicians helping out their buddies who helped them get elected. The negative aspects of legislation often don't present themselves until years have gone by, when things are allowed to build up. In the mean time both sides are gaining while the third loses. And when it all collapses they do their best to shift the blame. Be the blame gets shifted to an opposing party or some patsy.
    Largely wealthy folks and not working folks. There is a relationship between wealthy and politicians, as they need each other (the use of one another goes both ways). But even then, you give politicians too much credit and blame for the economy. They don't really control the economy.

    And while I agree each party blames the other, one party has been effective in blaming workers while seemingly ignoring not only their responsibility, but convincing their supporters that the wealthy are being picked on.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You either clearly do not know what happens, or you are not going to answer it because you know that they are then pushed off on the taxpayer through the Federal pension guarantee program.

    Welcome to PBGC
    You have a real bad habit J of not being able to recognize an answer. I tend to think it is a tactic to avoid having to think beyond the mindless trash you read, but regardless, try to read the answer.

    How about you respond back with something coherent as to what you don't understand or the point you want to make.



    1) What makes them special? Most people who work in this country contribute to a 401K for their retirement, along with employer contribution match if you're lucky.

    2) Unions destroy job opportunities. Tell me, If I want to work for a company that has union employment, then why must I join their union?

    j-mac
    1) Yes, I contribute. So do all other state employees. If you're employer, be it private or state, negotiate something different, the blame lies not solely with the employee, but the employer as well. So, this doesn't answer at all why you think they are different. You likely have something over generalization you haven't articulated.

    2) Again, two sentences with no relationship to one another. You over generalize that unions destroy job opportunities (also a bit a few other fallacies in that like assuming things not settled, and / or causal relationship error). they you leap to why should be forced to join. A completely different issue. Neither of these answer anything I've asked. So, how should I respond?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Largely wealthy folks and not working folks. There is a relationship between wealthy and politicians, as they need each other (the use of one another goes both ways). But even then, you give politicians too much credit and blame for the economy. They don't really control the economy.
    Politicians may not control the economy but they do have a large ability to affect it. For example, what would happen to the economy if drugs were suddenly made legal? Or soda was made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And while I agree each party blames the other, one party has been effective in blaming workers while seemingly ignoring not only their responsibility, but convincing their supporters that the wealthy are being picked on.
    I blame both parties for this recession. It all started under Clinton with deregulation and continued with Bush's inaction.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Politicians may not control the economy but they do have a large ability to affect it. For example, what would happen to the economy if drugs were suddenly made legal? Or soda was made illegal?
    I think their ability is overstated. We've had good and bad economies regardless of what they have been doing. Someone makes money on both those things, now, and would after wards. What would be affected would be how much money the government makes, how much can be taxed. Otherwise, some one is selling it and someone is buying it. Money is in the market place.


    I blame both parties for this recession. It all started under Clinton with deregulation and continued with Bush's inaction.
    Deregulation was popular and still is in conservative circles. But, that is not enough alone to derail this economy. And largely,we're still a very wealthy nation.

    But I would note that many, largely conservative, are arguing for less jobs. When you shrink the government, people don't leap from government jobs to private sector jobs. Those people become unemployed and have to hope they can get something when and if things turn around. Their logic gets lost.

    But, hiring people is really the only sure way government can increase jobs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you saying that none of that is true?
    I'm saying that his asessment is not only unture but shows a profound sense of ignornace when it comes to politicas and labor, and how labor increases its beneifts.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I will take my chances. I am a free man. You are a union man. You were in a private sector union, were you not? Are you claiming a better knowledge of how public sector unions work because of it? I had my share of unions when I helped solve a problem at Pittsburgh Steel some years ago. Just one example, I had a union thug follow me around all day to make sure I did not pick up any of the printers. That was a union job. So if I needed the model number off the bottom of the printer I had to fill out a work request and wait for some union lacky to come over to pick it up. The Union I was exposed to seemed pro-socialist, anti-American, wasters.

    Your mileage, as you are a union man, may vary.
    You helped solve a problem at Pittsburgh Steel?? Pray tell . . . The problem you had with union work is very simple: give managment an inch and they'll take a mile: warehouse unions wil not let any heavy driver cross a certain line from the dock to check his freight before it's brought to him. (of course, once tehy get to know you, you acn do what you want: if you're a Teamster).

    Steelworkers are pro socialist??? Anti American??? Check out all those American flags that fly from steel superstructures downtown and on bridges! That's how you tell a union job; you know that don't you . . .

    (chuckle)

    Just an amazing hyperbolic and paranoid and jealous opinion that you have.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And while I agree each party blames the other, one party has been effective in blaming workers while seemingly ignoring not only their responsibility, but convincing their supporters that the wealthy are being picked on.
    I read this several times and it did not make sense to me. Then I thought that maybe you had used a wrong word. I changed the word and it began to make sense to me: "one party has been effective in using workers while seemingly ignoring not only their responsibility..."

    I agree that the democratic party has figured out how to use workers as well as to divide everyone into pretty little groups, some black who when dead look like the son the president never had; some unmarried women; some working women; some stay-at-home-moms, some illegal aliens; some gay, lesbian and in-betweens; some rich millionaires and billionaires, meaning anyone who earns 250K per year; some secretaries (as in Buffet's and Obama's) who pay a greater tax rate than their bosses.

    And even one who must be demonized by all of the others, the evil white Christian man.

    Thank you for that.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But I would note that many, largely conservative, are arguing for less jobs. When you shrink the government, people don't leap from government jobs to private sector jobs. Those people become unemployed and have to hope they can get something when and if things turn around. Their logic gets lost.

    But, hiring people is really the only sure way government can increase jobs.
    Imagine how well of we will be when everyone has a government job.

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