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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There are two kinds of unions. One is parasitic and feeds on private companies. If it devours its host company the parasite dies. The union problem is immediately solved. The other is like a ravening lion. It feeds on taxpayers. It had no real boundaries as the government can always use more force to take real property away from taxpayers. Once their greed destroys the tax base, as people vote with their feet and move from the public-sector-union ravaged counties and cities, then and only then are the public sector unions in danger.

    Of course the socialists like it. Unionization is one way to keep the masses of unwashed in their places so their betters, the union bosses and democratic party leaders, can live as royalty.
    It's amazing.
    If companies join forces to make more money they're called good capitalists.
    If people join forces to make more money they're called socialists and parasites.

    Funny how that works, isn't it?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Right there i think that is incorrect. I think most people use their 401 ks as a hedge against their unemployment. Basically they spend that money when they are unemployed.

    What kind of fool would part with upwards of 30% to 40% of that money they toiled to save, unless of course it was to save their house from foreclosure or something like that? And if that were the case, what does that say about Obama's policies that we are in such a hole that people are decimating their retirements just to tread water?

    The fact is, and it isn't debatable, that when a Unionized business goes under, or their pension plan goes bankrupt they shift that cost of benefit to the taxpayer via the PBGC. All you have to do is study the sale of Bethlehem Steel in Baltimore MD. and see what happened to those union pensions.

    You have the right to disagree, but you don't have the right to your own facts.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The solution in both cases is bog-obvious: don't allow them to make political contributions to campaigns or PACs.
    then they'll pour it into in-kind donations, and "public education" instead.

    the only way to stop the influx of money by interest groups is to make it non-profitable for the interest groups to play.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What kind of fool would part with upwards of 30% to 40% of that money they toiled to save, unless of course it was to save their house from foreclosure or something like that? And if that were the case, what does that say about Obama's policies that we are in such a hole that people are decimating their retirements just to tread water?

    You have the right to disagree, but you don't have the right to your own facts.
    Still throwing the blame for Bushonomics onto Obama? I thought we were past all that nonsense.

    Your last sentence applies all the way around. Big Business put us into this hellhole, though the lack of oversight didn't help.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's amazing.
    If companies join forces to make more money they're called good capitalists.
    If people join forces to make more money they're called socialists and parasites.
    close.

    When people join together to sell to others, they are capitalists.
    When people join together to take from others, they are socialists.

    glad I could help you with that.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Still throwing the blame for Bushonomics onto Obama?
    considering that thus far the major themes of the two appear to be indistinguishable......

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    close.

    When people join together to sell to others, they are capitalists.
    When people join together to take from others, they are socialists.

    glad I could help you with that.
    Workers sell their labor and expertise so I agree with this assessment.

    It's kinda' odd calling bankers "socialists" - but whatever trips your trigger!
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    considering that thus far the major themes of the two appear to be indistinguishable......
    Afraid to quote the second sentence? Maybe I shouldn't have separated them.
    Using your latest definitions, socialist bankers put us in this hellhole - long before Jan '09.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    close.

    When people join together to sell to others, they are capitalists.
    When people join together to take from others, they are socialists.

    glad I could help you with that.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Except that is not the way it works in the real world. Union thugs make deals with democrat politicians. The politician gets elected with the help of union "volunteers". The union gets big pay and/or benefit increases. The politicians get kickbacks called donations to their campaigns. The cycle repeats until we become Greece.
    You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about and are only embarassing yourself.
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