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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There is reasonable and there is unreasonable.

    Do you believe someone should retire at the taxpayers expense after 30 years of working and then live off someone elses work for another 30 years?
    What makes the taxpayers being the employer any different than anyone else? Perhaps you can explain that to me.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I admit that this was difficult to unravel. Are you actually as ignorant as you sound?


    So the 80,000 plus rules and regulations at the federal level plus the thousands more at the state level are having no impact on businesses and therefore the market? Is that your argument? Are you actually as ignorant as you sound?


    Okay. You are as ignorant as you sound. I get it.

    How do corporations legislate?
    What are loopholes and speculation? What is on the come gambling?


    Is it your intention to force me (and those like me who actually pay the federal income taxes) to pay for the things you want? If that isn't socialsim then what would you call it? I am willing to accept that you call it theft and the person doing it a thief. But the broader term is socialist.


    Let's see:
    "mix freedom with health care and the government"
    "exploits something very dear and intimate"
    "to every US citizen and those trying to achieve citizenship"
    ...and on and on and on.

    What?

    You should not be on drugs when your post on this board. While using drugs I suggest that you read. Do not post while toasted.


    I shall mark you down as undecided.
    Okay, you make it very obvious that you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about and know even less about American history.

    Anybody who doesn't agree with you is a socialist or some other type of drain on your 'merica. And since you have no idea what America is or how we came about - then you of course know nothing about this country.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    That explains it all. Union thug. Communist sympathizer. Got it. Happy you.

    Good luck with your education. I suggest that you try the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx followed by practically anything written by Hayek and Mises.
    Then follow up with Adam Smith's Inquiry into the Wealth of Nations. Then more by Hayek. If you fail to reach enlightenment reach for anything written by Mark Levin. I suggest you start with something light, Liberty and Tyranny, for example. Then top it off with Ameritopia.

    Then come back and let's converse. If it does not change your mind you are lost.
    (chuckle)

    Jealouse; trapped in your own unhappy world.

    And that's it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    LOL. I really don't object when a union destroys its host company. The union dies along with the company. But I absolutely object to public sector unions whose members are making deals with democratic politicians. Those unions must be outlawed for the good of the taxpayer.

    No matter. You have your good deal. Go for it and prosper. Perhaps you will be the death of the idea that was America.
    Profound ignorance: good luck.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm surprised. Few people are rich enough or are willing to die younger than usual.
    Maybe I misunderstood you. I would love to get out from under the socialist state run healthcare system. Let me keep my money to buy what I choose to buy. If I make bad choices they are my problem not your problem. The last statement is what I took away from your post.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Employers, state, federal, or private all sit at the table and negotiate. They are part of the equation and this is true whether the programs go insolvent or not. You do see this, right?
    In the case of public sector unions the only people left our are the ones who pay the bills, the taxpayers.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What makes the taxpayers being the employer any different than anyone else? Perhaps you can explain that to me.
    Taxpayers are not a party to the agreement but they are responsible for paying the bills. That is the difference. Politicians do not represent the taxpayers. So who gets screwed?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Employers, state, federal, or private all sit at the table and negotiate. They are part of the equation and this is true whether the programs go insolvent or not. You do see this, right?
    There is a huge difference between private unions and public unions. In a public union the "leaders" negotiate with the people that they help get elected via donations. A private sector union does nothing of the kind. That can make a HUGE difference.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a huge difference between private unions and public unions. In a public union the "leaders" negotiate with the people that they help get elected via donations. A private sector union does nothing of the kind. That can make a HUGE difference.
    Those who negotiate are responsible to a large number of groups and tax payers. It would not be wise on their part to throw any group down the toliet, so they have a responsibility to be good stewards. So, I think the difference is over played as both groups answer to others. It helps no one, least of all the elected offical, to be too fiscally irresponsible.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Those who negotiate are responsible to a large number of groups and tax payers. It would not be wise on their part to throw any group down the toliet, so they have a responsibility to be good stewards. So, I think the difference is over played as both groups answer to others. It helps no one, least of all the elected offical, to be too fiscally irresponsible.
    Except that is not the way it works in the real world. Union thugs make deals with democrat politicians. The politician gets elected with the help of union "volunteers". The union gets big pay and/or benefit increases. The politicians get kickbacks called donations to their campaigns. The cycle repeats until we become Greece.

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