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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, are you suggesting that because someone works for the tax payer, they are not entitled to a decent benefit package? I don't mean just this person, who suggests you may get your money's worth in return, but those who retire after years of service?
    There is reasonable and there is unreasonable.

    Do you believe someone should retire at the taxpayers expense after 30 years of working and then live off someone elses work for another 30 years?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Kind of like the age you can retire in the military.
    Let's see. Shall I have a soft, cushy government job for 30 years and then live off the taxpayer for another 30? Or shall I go into the military where I go where I am told and fight where I go? Choices choices.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Right. In the Teamsters union it's not percentages but actual money. Barns build their contribution rates out of their own pocket, and it does not take long to build up to $7 or $9 an hour which matched, and after number of years, it's not a nest egg, but an anuity that is paid for life . . . So many guys in my age group; who built it up anyway, chose early retirement, seek work elsewhere adn your retirement becomes a real asset!

    It's fool proof plan. The only trouble that ever comes from it is when campaigns like hte lying by the right going on now, and the union busting: think Scott Walker, that goes on strictly for the purposes of sabotaging someone else's retirement plan: it's preditory practice.
    Destroying public sector unions is a great thing.

    You were in a private sector union. I hate unions. I hate what they stand for. I hate what they do. But I accept that some of you disagree with me.

    But public sector unions are dangerous to our liberties and our freedoms.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Destroying public sector unions is a great thing.

    You were in a private sector union. I hate unions. I hate what they stand for. I hate what they do. But I accept that some of you disagree with me.

    But public sector unions are dangerous to our liberties and our freedoms.
    Personally I have no problem with private sector unions. That's private citizens working/negotiating with private corporations. But I do agree with you about public sector unions. Public sector unions negotiate with the very people that they help put in office...sorry but to me that SCREAMS conflict of interest.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your elected representatives in our system do represent you, even when you are a minority opinion.
    I understand that the majority of americans believe such BS.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Creationist? LOL.
    I did some surveying in the Colorado Rocky Mountains in the mid-1970s. It was the hardest physical work I have ever done. We spent all day hiking up one mountain or another looking for brass plates with cross-hairs on them. A few of them were in very hard places. But I loved the work.
    Ahhh ... that's the Lazy Days of surveying, when you can take a hike in the woods.
    Stand in the middle of a busy intersection or construction site all day with your eyes closed (you can peek every few minutes) and you'll have a better idea of what most surveying is like. You have to be where you are but you seldom have time to look around.
    But it did give me the chance to use my basic math skills, do a little engineering, and play with computers (which weren't cheap when I started) for CAD work.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Imagine that. I agree with your sentiments.
    I'm surprised. Few people are rich enough or are willing to die younger than usual.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They go insolvent. **** happens....

    Stop right there Boo. What happens when Union pensions go insolvent? Answer the question.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Stop right there Boo. What happens when Union pensions go insolvent? Answer the question.


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    I'm not sure what you didn't understand. What happens is they go insolvent. No one wants that, but that is what happens. It happens with business without unions as well. And even though I have entertained this diversion from my point, the fact is things like this happen for all kinds of reasons regardless of unions or no unions.

    The questions I ask are: 1) what makes union or state employees not deserving of pensions? And 2) Why do you and others here only focus on one half of the equation? Employers, state, federal, or private all sit at the table and negotiate. They are part of the equation and this is true whether the programs go insolvent or not. You do see this, right?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Stop right there Boo. What happens when Union pensions go insolvent? Answer the question.


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    What do you think happens? Like any pension owed by a bankrupt company, all or most of it will probably be covered by the PBGC. If it's a very large corporation, however, the workers may end up getting just a small percentage of what they're owed.

    The PBGC is a federal corporation created under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974. It currently guarantees payment of basic pension benefits earned by 44 million American workers and retirees participating in over 29,000 private-sector defined benefit pension plans. The agency receives no funds from general tax revenues. Operations are financed largely by insurance premiums paid by companies that sponsor pension plans and by investment returns.

    What Happens to Your Pension When Company files for Bankruptcy – American Airlines
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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