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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    How then, do you explain the United States? Unencumbered means without the distortions that governments bring to the markets when they go beyond simple police powers.


    Do you believe today's market, twisted and contorted by massive government interference is unencumbered?


    Are you denying your socialist tendency?
    How can anyone be free who depends on the government for health care?

    The US is easy! It was started by the capitalist’s ideals of those rich colonists who did not qualify to participate in the executive branches of the British monarchy, so they had designs on starting their own government that played by their own rules and gave them the financial freedom they wanted.

    Today’s markets are not contorted or twisted by anything the US or US state governments have done. In fact, quite the contrary has been a work since 1979 in this country: corporate and Wall Street interests have legislated a tax code and financial market system of loopholes and speculation (on the come gambling) that has ripped the very strength and trust of this country’s economy right out from underneath everybody’s feet, and I defy you to prove that my assessments are not true.

    Lastly: You seem a bit incapable of separating reason from your political prejudices: labeling me a socialist is just a lazy dodge for an inability to argue reason. Moreover, trying to mix freedom with health care and the government is almost pornographic in that “freedom” used as such, exploits something very dear and intimate to every US citizen as well as those trying to achieve citizenship, not to mention the losses of those who have died trying to maintain it under the attacks of autocratic despots.

    I suggest that you rethink your position and try a reasonable and credible approach at making a case for your opinions.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sigh. Students.

    Do you believe it is possible to appear wise without taking any effort to achieve wisdom?
    (chuckle)

    I'm 55 years old. My life's experience afforded me the wisdom to start thinking about my long term future when I turned 21 and joined the Teamster's Union. Having then reached the age of 50 in 2007, and knowing that in less than a year I could retire making as much money playing on the internet as I did working, I planned to retire and continue my education; which I'm doing now.

    So, again; reason wins over prejudice every time.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    (chuckle)

    I'm 55 years old. My life's experience afforded me the wisdom to start thinking about my long term future when I turned 21 and joined the Teamster's Union. Having then reached the age of 50 in 2007, and knowing that in less than a year I could retire making as much money playing on the internet as I did working, I planned to retire and continue my education; which I'm doing now.

    So, again; reason wins over prejudice every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I agree with some of what you're saying, however Health exams as such do go on at colleges, but should not be the practice of everyday health. There are many nurse pratisioners etc that can set bones, deliver babies and things like that who have been practicing for a number of years and are a good choice for those who desire a less formal participation, but to lower the standards by which medicine operates is disaster waiting to happen.

    You're trying to lower the participation of federal and state government and we have seen over and over again that less regulation only increses hardship for others.
    I'm trying to break the monopoly of care doctors have successfully lobbied. There is no reason why nurse practitioners shouldn't be allowed to preform these actions, but in a number of states they aren't allowed to. There's no reason why specialization, which reduces cost, can't be the norm script that doctors have prevented it through controlling the education system and licensing regimens.

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    Retired at 50? My God...That is part of the problem that unions give us.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Retired at 50? My God...That is part of the problem that unions give us.
    Do you put 5% or more of your income into retirement - not counting FICA?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Don't blame the union blame the failure it management to negotiate properly.

    Oh please. I have told it many times before, I grew up around plenty of UAW members in Lansing Mi. Closed shops, walk outs, pressure tactics, etc...I know the deal.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Do you put 5% or more of your income into retirement - not counting FICA?
    Yeah, I've done that in 401K's for about 25 yrs now...I have a decent nest egg, but nothing able to retire me at 50, which for me would be next year. Tell the truth, the generous pension helps that scenario.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Retired at 50? My God...That is part of the problem that unions give us.

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    That is a benefit of union membership and propper planning. When I exited my position, there a good man to replace me and to continue his long range planning. Now, when I receive my degree and reenter the work force, my pension becomes an asset; capital gain if you will, which can be invested and passed on.

    So, I think you're really just a bit shocked that union membership affords such things when a man puts his mind to it. This also reveals why teh right is trying to do away with teh current pension system in unions.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That is a benefit of union membership and propper planning. When I exited my position, there a good man to replace me and to continue his long range planning. Now, when I receive my degree and reenter the work force, my pension becomes an asset; capital gain if you will, which can be invested and passed on.

    So, I think you're really just a bit shocked that union membership affords such things when a man puts his mind to it. This also reveals why teh right is trying to do away with teh current pension system in unions.

    Not quite there Tex...See, when these large, generous pensions go insolvent then their cost gets passed on to me as a taxpayer...So hurry up and get back in the workforce, because I can't, nor do I want to subsidize your retirement.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not quite there Tex...See, when these large, generous pensions go insolvent then their cost gets passed on to me as a taxpayer...So hurry up and get back in the workforce, because I can't, nor do I want to subsidize your retirement.

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    BTW, are you suggesting that because someone works for the tax payer, they are not entitled to a decent benefit package? I don't mean just this person, who suggests you may get your money's worth in return, but those who retire after years of service?

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