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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    If Massachusetts can pass a health care plan, why can't voters in the other forty nine states lobby their state representatives to follow suit?
    I can think of no reason why they can't. But they haven't.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Other states have tried, and failed. I have heard that California tried 3 times in in the past 10-12 years with no success. People just don't want the mandate straight up.
    Which is yet another reason we should just go single-payer.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Only comparable if HC is kicked back to the states where it belongs.


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    I wouldn't disagree with you; but how sure are we that the states are going to deliver a uniform system that will treat all needs. I think we should build a top notch health system in this country; one that's completely accessable to every American (a cadillac in every household). We can do that very easily if that's what we want to do.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

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    Why do you believe someone should have his neighbors pay for something he or she wants?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I wouldn't disagree with you; but how sure are we that the states are going to deliver a uniform system that will treat all needs.
    It's up to them. People can decided for themselves what they want, and if their community doesn't offer that, then they can move. This country is built on freedom, not conformity to some standard of uniformity that a bureaucrat arbitrarily decides is proper for all.

    I think we should build a top notch health system in this country; one that's completely accessable to every American
    We have a "top notch health system" that is completely accessible to everyone in this country, and I'll go one better, it is accessible even if you are here illegally.

    (a cadillac in every household)
    Why should I pay for your Cadillac? Buy your own.

    We can do that very easily if that's what we want to do.
    If it is so easy, then why is Obama failing at it? Oh wait, I know, it's all those damned Conservatives, and TeaPartiers fault....Oh yeah, and Bushhhhhhhhhhhh!


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I wouldn't disagree with you; but how sure are we that the states are going to deliver a uniform system that will treat all needs. I think we should build a top notch health system in this country; one that's completely accessable to every American (a cadillac in every household). We can do that very easily if that's what we want to do.
    Would you expect a uniform system to provide one car that would meet every driver's need? How about one computer? How about one of anything?

    In my opinion this is completely idiotic. I should be able to buy the goods and services I want. You should be free to do the same. I don't care what you buy and you shouldn't care what I buy.
    Why is it any business of yours to be sure the states will deliver anything? Perhaps you should mind your business and let others mind theirs.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which is yet another reason we should just go single-payer.
    Individual payer is the path of freedom and liberty. Single payer is the path to tyranny. I think you know this.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's up to them. People can decided for themselves what they want, and if their community doesn't offer that, then they can move. This country is built on freedom, not conformity to some standard of uniformity that a bureaucrat arbitrarily decides is proper for all.
    It's not about running from home to home to achieve good health care: it's about good health care coming to your home . . .

    Your BS about freedom is a baseless nonsequitur talking point and has zero to do with health care, so please do not insult the discussion with it.



    We have a "top notch health system" that is completely accessible to everyone in this country, and I'll go one better, it is accessible even if you are here illegally.
    You do not have a top notch health care system or it wouldn't need revising. If you have the cadillac isurance with low deductable and high service rate, it's great. For everybody else it's a failure: the disease rate is too high, the out of condition rate is too high, children are not getting preventative care, neither are adults and that's where the golden goose lays its health care eggs.
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    Why should I pay for your Cadillac? Buy your own.
    Why should you work on a production line and build somebody else's cadillac? Because it's your job; it's your job to see that everyone profits by everything you do for the system that supports you. Think WWII . . .



    If it is so easy, then why is Obama failing at it? Oh wait, I know, it's all those damned Conservatives, and TeaPartiers fault....Oh yeah, and Bushhhhhhhhhhhh!

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    Obama is not failing; he's been jammed up at every turn by Republicans: you now that as well as I do. Those at the top of the heap don't want a revision: it cuts into their profit margins, so that's why (WE) do an end run around them - that's what a co-op is.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Would you expect a uniform system to provide one car that would meet every driver's need? How about one computer? How about one of anything?

    In my opinion this is completely idiotic. I should be able to buy the goods and services I want. You should be free to do the same. I don't care what you buy and you shouldn't care what I buy.
    Why is it any business of yours to be sure the states will deliver anything? Perhaps you should mind your business and let others mind theirs.
    No, I would expect a uniform system to offer 100 cars to fit anyone's needs. Morevoer, I never said that state's should do it; I said that the supremes will probably turn it over to the states: a cop-out in my view, but more than likely.

    What I'm talking about has nothing to do wth market trade, it has everything to do with our (best in the world systems) showing everybody else how to cover health care requirements in this country - thats' why we wrote the book and published it in 1789. (The pamphlet went out in 1776).
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No, I would expect a uniform system to offer 100 cars to fit anyone's needs.
    Why? Why not let the market, unencumbered by politics, provide everything people actually want instead of what a panel of busybody bureaucrats select for them?

    Morevoer, I never said that state's should do it;
    This is what you wrote, "but how sure are we that the states are going to deliver a uniform system that will treat all needs?"
    I believe you are easing away from your totalitarian point of view. That is a good thing.

    I said that the supremes will probably turn it over to the states: a cop-out in my view, but more than likely.
    If they do not overturn it in its entirety our task of killing this monster will be much harder. Let us hope they throw out the whole law.

    What I'm talking about has nothing to do wth market trade, it has everything to do with our (best in the world systems) showing everybody else how to cover health care requirements in this country - thats' why we wrote the book and published it in 1789. (The pamphlet went out in 1776).
    This is simply nonsense. Your desire for socialism is strong. I hope there are still enough people who recognize just how great a gift freedom is to defeat people dlike you and ideas like yours.

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