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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbwayne View Post
    Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies - CNN.com

    A hate crime of a different kind, but will there be the same type of outrage as in the Martin case?


    All race hate crimes are horrible and the work of misguided fanatics.

    However, we have to be careful in pronouncing all crimes between races as hate crimes even though this particular case of the Iraqi woman obviously was.

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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    All race hate crimes are horrible and the work of misguided fanatics.

    However, we have to be careful in pronouncing all crimes between races as hate crimes even though this particular case of the Iraqi woman obviously was.
    Also, to be perfectly clear on this:

    The "racial" identity of the perpetrator of a crime is *completely irrelevant* to its potential classification for a hate crime enhancement.

    For a crime to be enhanced to a hate crime status, prosecutors must demonstrate a specific animus on the part of the perpetrator -- without reference to the perpetrator's "race" and specifically directed towards the *victim's* perceived identity with regards to a protected class (nationality, religion, "race") -- to make the enhancement stick.

    In the Alawadi case, a note with clear xenophobic/anti-Iraqi/racist overtones was found on the scene. That's exactly the kind of smoking-gun evidence of animus most crimes DON'T have. The Alawadi case has a very strong chance of a successful hate crime enhancement if the perpetrator is ever found and convicted. Most cases of possible hate crime enhancements are not so clear, and attempting to prove to the satisfaction of a court that a crime was motivated by specific animus is normally quite difficult.
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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbwayne View Post
    Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies - CNN.com

    A hate crime of a different kind, but will there be the same type of outrage as in the Martin case?
    It was definitely set-up to look like a hate crime, so until proven otherwise I say yes, it is. The outrage would be the same as in the Martin case if her killer was standing over her with a weapon, said he'd done it in self-defense, and the police said, "Ok, you can go home now."

    See the difference? In this instance the killer will have to be found before the police can cover up the crime. Then we can be outraged.

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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbwayne View Post
    Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies - CNN.com

    A hate crime of a different kind, but will there be the same type of outrage as in the Martin case?
    I would not call the Martin case a hate crime based upon what we know so far, but I believe race definitely played a role.

    This is clearly a hate crime.
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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    They should question family members and, if any, religious leaders of the church they attend if any. T Obviously any former and current boyfriend. This may only be staged to look like a hate crime.

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    Re: Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It was definitely set-up to look like a hate crime, so until proven otherwise I say yes, it is. The outrage would be the same as in the Martin case if her killer was standing over her with a weapon, said he'd done it in self-defense, and the police said, "Ok, you can go home now."

    See the difference? In this instance the killer will have to be found before the police can cover up the crime. Then we can be outraged.
    So you believe the eye witnesses claiming Martin was standing over Zimmerman are liars?

    And what "cover up" are you referring to?

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