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Dick Cheney receives heart transplant

PeteEU said:
No 70+ year old should have any sort of transplant... it is a waste of money and resources.. no wonder the US healthcare industry is so screwed up.. money and influence trumps over logic.
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We can always count on our American-hating member to provide the usual hate speech.
 
Thunder said:
do you just accuse folks of being "American-hating" whenever they say something you disagree with?
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Right, because PeteEU never has any negative thing to say about the US. LOL
 
In Petes defense, I thinka lot of what he has to say has either the ring of truth to it, or at the very least, makes logical sense.

I tend to no agree with him on this one....but that in no way makes the dude irrelevant, crazy, or US hating, lol.
 
Thunder said:
yes.

what's so funny?
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Because your typical liberal has a major issue with insurance companies when they cite pre existing conditions as a reason to deny service.
 
American said:
We can always count on our American-hating member to provide the usual hate speech.
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Well, to be fair American, I don't see Pete's statement as anti American as much as I do a failed vision of what Socialized medicine will bring....Age determining whether or not someone gets that transplant. So, In Pete's mind anyone after the age of 70 yrs old should just go off and die.


j-mac
 
Thunder said:
this heart, may give Dick another 5 years.

I wonder how many years it may have given a much younger & healthier person.
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Do you have any concept of how the transplant system works?
 
In another thread I was asking for a reality check in regard to health and recovery for the elderly - so I'll feed it in here.

Honestly - he shouldn't have accepted the transplant. He should have said 'no'. He's 71. How much longer will he live? What will he do with his future? He'll live, what - 15 more years, maybe? IF he makes it past the initial recovery period?

How many more elligible people - mothers, fathers, teachers - are on transplant lists who could live for 30, 40 or 50 more years and have much more of a possitive impact on teh world and society and their families lives than Cheney?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
In another thread I was asking for a reality check in regard to health and recovery for the elderly - so I'll feed it in here.

Honestly - he shouldn't have accepted the transplant. He should have said 'no'. He's 71. How much longer will he live? What will he do with his future? He'll live, what - 15 more years, maybe? IF he makes it past the initial recovery period?

How many more elligible people - mothers, fathers, teachers - are on transplant lists who could live for 30, 40 or 50 more years and have much more of a possitive impact on teh world and society and their families lives than Cheney?
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We don't know how long he was on the waiting list for. Maybe he has waited for a very long time for this heart. To be honest though I think as far as healthcare goes, we do far more damage by spending tons of money via Medicaid so that many individuals can abuse the system to get their $400 skin creams and sex aids (like Viagra/birth control) at the expense of the state.
 
X Factor said:
And this attitude is exactly what scares me about socialized health care.
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We don't have socialized healthcare, not even with Obamacare. What do you think your chances are if you are 70+ that your private insurer will cover the expense? Lots of luck Charley.
 
pbrauer said:
We don't have socialized healthcare, not even with Obamacare. What do you think your chances are if you are 70+ that your private insurer will cover the expense? Lots of luck Charley.
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If they are ensured under a contract then their insurance by law has to cover it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
In another thread I was asking for a reality check in regard to health and recovery for the elderly - so I'll feed it in here.

Honestly - he shouldn't have accepted the transplant. He should have said 'no'. He's 71. How much longer will he live? What will he do with his future? He'll live, what - 15 more years, maybe? IF he makes it past the initial recovery period?

How many more elligible people - mothers, fathers, teachers - are on transplant lists who could live for 30, 40 or 50 more years and have much more of a possitive impact on teh world and society and their families lives than Cheney?
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Many factors play into a heart transplant. There could have been a better match but if that person is 2 hours away the heart won't make it. So don't waste a heart IMHO
 
digsbe said:
We don't know how long he was on the waiting list for. Maybe he has waited for a very long time for this heart. To be honest though I think as far as healthcare goes, we do far more damage by spending tons of money via Medicaid so that many individuals can abuse the system to get their $400 skin creams and sex aids (like Viagra/birth control) at the expense of the state.
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Viagra is not covered by medicaid.
 
digsbe said:
We don't know how long he was on the waiting list for. Maybe he has waited for a very long time for this heart. To be honest though I think as far as healthcare goes, we do far more damage by spending tons of money via Medicaid so that many individuals can abuse the system to get their $400 skin creams and sex aids (like Viagra/birth control) at the expense of the state.
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Skin creams are hardly trivial, skin conditions can be very painful (as you'll know its where most of the nerves are) and its does cover your entire body;) also are far as birth control is concerned as distasteful as it sounds the state is making a net saving if it sponcers it.
 
winston53660 said:
Viagra is not covered by medicaid.
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I've seen it done. Legally they aren't supposed to pay for it, but they can work around that by having the prescriber say it is to treat hypertension or something non-sexually related. It's technically insurance fraud at the prescribers side of things, but it does happen.

Red_Dave said:
Skin creams are hardly trivial, skin conditions can be very painful (as you'll know its where most of the nerves are) and its does cover your entire body;)
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I work in a pharmacy. I've seen medicaid pay for every last cent of someones widely abused narcotics. Sometimes the patients freak out when Medicaid asks them to pay $3 on their name brand drugs exceeding $500+

Mainly, it's narcotic abuse by low life patients on Medicaid. My sales tax when to pay for some junkies Xanax and oxycodone. If Medicaid stopped paying for these things there would be a civil war. Although I'm going off on a tangent now :lol:
 
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X Factor said:
And this attitude is exactly what scares me about socialized health care.
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So lets see... heart to a 70+ year old with many decades of health problems, who has lived his life... or the heart to a 30 year old with many decades of productive life ahead of him... hmmm yea that is one hell of a scary call you got to make there... better choose the guy with the most MONEY!
 
PeteEU said:
So lets see... heart to a 70+ year old with many decades of health problems, who has lived his life... or the heart to a 30 year old with many decades of productive life ahead of him... hmmm yea that is one hell of a scary call you got to make there... better choose the guy with the most MONEY!
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His problem was the heart not the other organs. Trust me people are fully vetted in the US heart transplant system. I know since I have taken part in it.
 
winston53660 said:
https://www.cms.gov/FraudAbuseforConsumers/02_How_to_Report_Suspected_Fraud.asp

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We do report fraud, but I'm saying it still happens. Many people have high blood pressure. The physician can prove they have high blood pressure and say Viagra was a treatment (even though it was for ED). I've even seen prescribers write for a higher dose of drugs (viagra and other meds) and told the patient to break them in half so that they can get more pills for their money. This is also fraud and we call out on it all the time. Although, when it comes to Medicaid my main problem is the coverage of narcotics and their abuse.
PeteEU said:
So lets see... heart to a 70+ year old with many decades of health problems, who has lived his life... or the heart to a 30 year old with many decades of productive life ahead of him... hmmm yea that is one hell of a scary call you got to make there... better choose the guy with the most MONEY!
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Thank God we aren't in Europe where they would have given him a pain pill and said he should die ;)

/I'm joking.
 
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