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Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

Forgive me for butting in, I know you didn't ask me, but this is one of the most important questions of the entire affair.



That quote is from Sanford police chief Bill Lee.

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

In my experience, If you are holding a perp at gunpoint, you follow up all verbal commands, I tell you (put the gun down or holster it). Better if you hear us before you see us and put it down (if it is save to do so)

Very possible everyone goes to the floor and gets cuffed until the situation is all sorted out.
 
Honestly, with all the media hype and race issues that have been made out of it (and the presidents involvement as well) I have a hard time believing that unbiased justice will be served or sought out.
 
"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said during a press gathering in the Rose Garden, after he was asked about the incident that has sparked national debate.

Obama: Trayvon Martin Could Be My Son : People.com

Grin, that is your claim for Obama saying this is about race? Sorry, I guess we live in two different worlds. In mine, he was simply empathizing with a family that has lost a loved one. In yours, he was stirring up racial tension?
 
So he was just sitting in his driveway in his car when he saw Martin , but had to get out to see the street sign to see what street he was on? Yeah, that sounds right...lol

if you would read the transcript you could know approximately where his car is parked. i also linked to a map on page one. it also details how he is unable to provide an address or street name, making the desire to look for a street name more plausible.
 
Well, Trayvon Martin is dead. There's one piece of real evidence.

Zimmerman's testimony is real evidence too. he says self defense, and that is evidence.
 
So you agree. If a Latino calls the police on an African-American, that Latino is an instigator that may be beaten to death - and you wish he had been. Latinos are the new n....rs. All African-Americans and nearly all Democrats agree.

Hahahaha!! I love this twist on race. Zimmerman's mother was Latino. Zimmerman's father is WHITE. And now, all of a sudden, this story is about the Latino who has been discriminated against by a dead black kid? :rofl: This is the funniest, most demented, and most twisted spin I have ever heard in my entire life. But maybe "Zimmerman" IS a Latino name, just like Smith is a Chinese one. LMAO.
 
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In my experience, If you are holding a perp at gunpoint, you follow up all verbal commands, I tell you (put the gun down or holster it). Better if you hear us before you see us and put it down (if it is save to do so)

Very possible everyone goes to the floor and gets cuffed until the situation is all sorted out.

I'm not quite sure your post was in response to mine. I was just linking to which police officer used 'stand your ground' statutes to justify releasing Zimmerman that night.
 
if you would read the transcript you could know approximately where his car is parked. i also linked to a map on page one. it also details how he is unable to provide an address or street name, making the desire to look for a street name more plausible.

So gow does the NW guy who makes 3 911 calls or so amonth not know the names of the couple streets in his neighborhood again?
 
So gow does the NW guy who makes 3 911 calls or so amonth not know the names of the couple streets in his neighborhood again?

who cares if he knows the street name? he couldn't give an address on the 911 call because he didn't know the name of it.

is there a point in that somewhere? I sure as hell don't see it.
 
You get around to explaining how Zimmerman left out the verbal exchange with Martin in his story of the event?
I am sorry, what?
Where has that evidence been presented?
What?
I see.
This isn't a factual assertion about Zimmerman. Ok.
So why are you engaged in supposition?

So for the purposes of this thread I will tell you again why your supposition makes no sense.
You don't know that he didn't.
You don't know if the girl wasn't lying.
The police have already said his statement was corroborated by the evidence.
And finally, the girls statement was had and reviewed before the prosecutor made the decision not to prosecute.

Your supposition makes no sense.
 
Yes, for Martin.

An armed man cannot scare the livin' bejeebers out of someone by slowly following him with his car...then exit his car and approach and then, because he's the last man standing, claim self-defense. Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car.
Hyperbole.

A person acting in the capacity of NW got out of his truck to keep a suspicious person under observation until the police arrived.
 
The girlfriends relation of a verbal exchange that wasn't mentioned by Zimmerman in HIS version of events.
Supposition. You do know the circumstance surronding this. That is all.

Yet Zims statement would lead one to believe he had lost Martin, was walking back to his truck to meet police, and was attacked from behind.
You are all twisted. That is stated in the girlfriend's statement.

That 911 transcript is damning. "We don't need you to follow him." . . . "Okay"
Not at all.



"He's running." That spells scared. Maybe not to you, but to the rest of the world it does.
No it doesn't.
When one places themselves in Zimmerman's shoes, after seeing a suspicious person put there hood after noticing they were being observed and then running off after seeing the person who was observing them on the phone.
That spells "even more suspicious. "



This guy's in a hot mess.
Based on the known facts. He really shouldn't be.
 
George Zimmerman has to be the poster boy for 911 calls. Given the frequency with which he called, I'm surprised they just didn't give him his own direct line - maybe 666 instead of 911.
Really?
How many calls did he make?

Please inform us all of how many calls he made and in what time period they were made in.

And how that comes close to even be labeled as the "poster boy for 911 calls".

Or just admitting you are wrong is fine.



The uproar is about an inept police dept.
Unfounded uproar.


Some here have already twisted this around to make Martin look like he hauled Zimmerman out of his car while he was sitting in his driveway.
Knock off the hyperbole. No one is making it look like that.
 
Unfounded uproar.

isn't it true they never checked TM's cell phone and his parents had him reported as a missing person for 3 days because they didn't even try to identify the body?

if that is true, which I believe it is, that is horrible police work.
 
please clarify, I don't see where stand your ground is specifically mentioned

Lee quoted the 'stand your ground' statue in the link I provided-

According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use
of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is
justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action
for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law
enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance
of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance
with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have
known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the
term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or
prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the
use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the
person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the
force that was used was unlawful.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious from his claim in the quote I provided-

By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
circumstances they had at the time.
[His emphasis]

The 'stand your ground' statute is the only Florida law that prohibits arrest (and civil liability) without evidence to the contrary.

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
 
So you agree. If a Latino calls the police on an African-American, that Latino is an instigator that may be beaten to death - and you wish he had been. Latinos are the new n....rs. All African-Americans and nearly all Democrats agree.

Have you always had a problem with reading comprehension, or does it only surface on this forum?

No, actully most Latinos are Democrats. You claim is stupid.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/12/28/vii-views-of-the-political-parties-and-party-identification/

The internet is a wonderful tool for research. You should try it some time.
 
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isn't it true they never checked TM's cell phone and his parents had him reported as a missing person for 3 days because they didn't even try to identify the body?

if that is true, which I believe it is, that is horrible police work.
Yep, didn't check his cellphone, and it did take until the next day to inform the mother. But not the three days that I saw repeated a few times in the news. One o'clock the following afternoon, as I understand it. Don't have a link at the moment.
 
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The grand jury investigation of this case is most likely going to be shut down, but before anybody screams coverup, they should know that the special prosecutor appointed by Governor Scott is one of the most hard nosed Conservative prosecutors in the entire nation. Angela Corey has been criticized by Liberals for her controversial stances of trying juveniles as adults, and seeking maximum punishment in the vast majority of the cases she has tried. She will undoubtedly not be accepting any excuses from Zimmerman here. Instead, if she determines that Zimmerman broke the law, he will be going to prison for a very long time.

In the end, this is not about Liberal versus Conservative. It is about the whole nation coming together against an asshole weekend warrior policeman wannabe who took the law into his own hands, and murdered an innocent boy. Democrats are shocked. Republicans are shocked. The police chief has been forced to step down, and justice is going to be meted out in spades. At this point, let me bring home 2 important points of Florida's Stand Your Ground Law:

1) Under the law, you can only meet a threat with equal force. If you go further, then Stand Your Ground does not apply.

AND (And this is most important)

2) The person you stand up to must have been the one to initiate action which made you feel threatened. If you are stalking someone, or otherwise following them them, then it is YOU who initiated the confrontation, and Stand Your Ground does not apply. When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.

At this time, I am not ready to say that there is a racist element to this case, in that police did not thoroughly investigate the shooting. I will chalk it up to incompetence. As for the prosecutor that Governor Scott appointed, this shows me that, if indeed, Zimmerman is to be charged with a crime, the State of Florida intends to make an example out of him, as a warning to other militia weekend warrior wannabes. In a civilized society you do NOT stalk someone, armed with a gun, for ANY reason. That's what police are for - To investigate the possibility that a crime is about to be committed, and then act accordingly. Those who are not cops, but attempt to take those kinds of powers unto themselves, as vigilantes, deserve whatever they get when they go off the reservation, as Zimmerman did.

If there is a silver lining in all of this, it is that a law that many Florida policemen and prosecutors opposed is going to be under scrutiny, and may soon be abolished. Unfortunately, there is no silver lining for the mother of a boy who was murdered while purchasing a soft drink and a box of candy.

Article is here.

No doubt he's going to the joint. How long? No telling.

The outcome of this isn't a foregone conclusion. Now that there's a threat of racial violence and Obama has stuck his nose into it, it's already been decided that Zimmerman is going to down.

The only question is, how to do it and make it look good, without violating too many of Zimmerman's rights in the process.
 
Lee quoted the 'stand your ground' statue in the link I provided-



Sorry, I thought it was obvious from his claim in the quote I provided-

[His emphasis]

The 'stand your ground' statute is the only Florida law that prohibits arrest (and civil liability) without evidence to the contrary.

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

actually he is only quoting 776.032, which in turn lists any three making it apply. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031

So he didn't actually say the decision was based on 776.013, he said it was based on 776.032
 
actually he is only quoting 776.032, which in turn lists any three making it apply. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031

So he didn't actually say the decision was based on 776.013, he said it was based on 776.032

I'm confused. 776.032 is the 'stand your ground' statute. Huh?
 
Yep, didn't check his cellphone, and it did take until the next day to inform the mother. But not the three days that I saw repeated a few times in the news. One o'clock the following afternoon, as I understand it. Don't have a link at the moment.

Do you know when the call-in-progress to the girlfriend came out?
 
No doubt he's going to the joint. How long? No telling.

The outcome of this isn't a foregone conclusion. Now that there's a threat of racial violence and Obama has stuck his nose into it, it's already been decided that Zimmerman is going to down.

The only question is, how to do it and make it look good, without violating too many of Zimmerman's rights in the process.

Martin is dead and there's only one to tell the story.

Zimmerman must articulate his reasons for shooting. Zimmerman must say that he was in immediate fear of his life or great bodily harm and he shot to stop his attacker. Period

He must stick with his story. Practice it. Repeat it, over and over again until, he becomes what he is practicing and he is home free
 
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