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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Ridiculous. If he was "already scared," sensible people would ask, "Then why the hell didn't you just drive away?? You damn well knew the LEO's were on their way." That's not going to fly, my friend.

    Whether or not charges are pressed, whether or not he is found guilty or innocent, a whole bunch of law-abiding Americans are going to put the blame for Martin's death squarely on Zimmerman's shoulders...where it belongs. Stay in the car and drive away? Kid goes home to eat Skittles.
    the ridiculous thing is people think he is guilty for not following an "order" to not follow, when the dispatch also told him seconds before he ran to "let me know if he does anything else"


    So how do I tell them what else he is doing when he just ran out of site?

    he immediately started following - for the first time - to obey that request. then when he was told he didn't have to, he said "ok". he stopped following and started heading back to his truck as he continued talking to the police and explaining where to meet at.

    show me some real evidence that can prove that is not what happened.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

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    which officer by name cited stand your ground as the reason to not arrest? do you have that link?
    Christ, let's not get hung up on THAT. The poster didn't read the link I posted and made a completely wrong assumption. Zimmerman's attorney says it is simply a matter of self-defense . . . SYG has absolutely nothing to do with it. Read the link.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the ridiculous thing is people think he is guilty for not following an "order" to not follow, when the dispatch also told him seconds before he ran to "let me know if he does anything else"

    So how do I tell them what else he is doing when he just ran out of site?

    he immediately started following - for the first time - to obey that request. then when he was told he didn't have to, he said "ok". he stopped following and started heading back to his truck as he continued talking to the police and explaining where to meet at.

    show me some real evidence that can prove that is not what happened.
    Where does he say, "Let me know if he does anything else"?? And how is this some kind of ORDER to do anything?

    And why are you talking about things I personally have never asserted and deflecting to something else? Respond to my post.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I listened to the 911 call. Actually, Zimmerman was never ordered to stop following Martin.
    But he was informed that follkwing Martin wasn't necessary.

    Making his subsequent actions purely his own responsibility.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but you are wrong there. For instance, if a gang banger comes up to me that is bigger, I can and will shoot him. That would be legal.




    Zimmerman felt that Trayvon might commit a crime and was following him. That is not stalking under any law.

    The only part that is in question is what happened with the confrontation and who was the aggresor of that confrontation. You are also forgetting that Zimmerman was beaten and bloodied as well, so we know at some point Trayvon also used force. The question was did he use the force in defense or was he the aggresor. Those I can't answer and will leave up to the justice system to decide.

    I know you feel strongly about this dana, but it is not cut and dry or Zimmerman would have been arrested and tried as guilty by now if it were that simple.

    I'm not saying Zimmerman is not guilty either. I am very happy this is getting investigated finally.
    Wait wait wait...

    So you're saying that Martin would have been justified in shooting Zimmerman, who is MUCH larger than Martin, for "coming up on him"?

    Then by simple extension it would certainly have been ok for Martin to punch him in the nose.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Where does he say, "Let me know if he does anything else"??
    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...zimmerman.html

    please read the full transcript

    pay special attention to the statements everyone likes to leave out right before, and right after the highlighted part.

    And how is this some kind of ORDER to do anything?
    it isn't. but either is the suggestion to not follow later.

    And why are you talking about things I personally have never asserted and deflecting to something else? Respond to my post.
    I am. you claimed he was following slowly in the car, the 911 tape does not prove this. the only time we know for sure he followed was immediately after the teen ran.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post


    I am. you claimed he was following slowly in the car, the 911 tape does not prove this. the only time we know for sure he followed was immediately after the teen ran.
    So he was just sitting in his driveway in his car when he saw Martin , but had to get out to see the street sign to see what street he was on? Yeah, that sounds right...lol

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the ridiculous thing is people think he is guilty for not following an "order" to not follow, when the dispatch also told him seconds before he ran to "let me know if he does anything else"


    So how do I tell them what else he is doing when he just ran out of site?

    he immediately started following - for the first time - to obey that request. then when he was told he didn't have to, he said "ok". he stopped following and started heading back to his truck as he continued talking to the police and explaining where to meet at.

    show me some real evidence that can prove that is not what happened.
    The girlfriends relation of a verbal exchange that wasn't mentioned by Zimmerman in HIS version of events.

    Remember, Martin was on a headset, and there was no reason Zimmerman would have known he was on the phone at the time of the conversation.

    And the scuffle, according to the girlfriend, began immediately after the verbal exchange. Yet Zims statement would lead one to believe he had lost Martin, was walking back to his truck to meet police, and was attacked from behind.

    I'd love to see an actual timeline of all the calls and when what was said was said.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...zimmerman.html

    please read the full transcript

    pay special attention to the statements everyone likes to leave out right before, and right after the highlighted part.



    it isn't. but either is the suggestion to not follow later.



    I am. you claimed he was following slowly in the car, the 911 tape does not prove this. the only time we know for sure he followed was immediately after the teen ran.
    Yeah, I don't know where I got that he was following in his car. He must have just driven past him...a dozen times.

    That 911 transcript is damning. "We don't need you to follow him." . . . "Okay"

    "He's running." That spells scared. Maybe not to you, but to the rest of the world it does.

    And from "He's running" Zimmerman exits the car and ends up shooting the kid. Nope. This guy's in a hot mess.

    Don't exit the car? Meet the LEOs as instructed? Wait for their call? Kid lives. Play copper in an unmarked car . . . no uniform . . . kid dies. What is the immediate precursor to the kid getting shot???? Zimmerman getting out of his damn car and following the guy. The guy was scared...as well he should have been.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    evidence suggests that Zimmerman did not fire his weapon until after the adult male witness he was screaming to for help went inside and locked the doors and called for 911 (which Zimmerman had already done).
    George Zimmerman has to be the poster boy for 911 calls. Given the frequency with which he called, I'm surprised they just didn't give him his own direct line - maybe 666 instead of 911.

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