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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth View Post
    So, you do have the ability to think independently. Hmmmm.
    What are you getting at driver?
    Do you think some smarmy remark makes you an independent thinker?
    lol
    Well we will see how much of an independent thinker you are.

    As it stands, reciting false information of this case and of the misinformed opinion of what appears to be the majority, does not reflect well on someone who hopes to be an independent thinker.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth View Post
    There was at least one female witness, whom the police never even tried to interview, who said that she both HEARD and SAW Trayvon, yelling and screaming the words: "Get off me! Get off.....", just before the gun shot was heard on the 911 tape. Now, what part about that do you not understand, exactly?
    Did you not see the linked to, and quoted words in post #11 of an individual who was standing at the actual scene before going inside?
    He identified who was who, and who was calling for help.
    Before you go any further, do you understand that? He was actually there.
    It was Zimmerman calling for help, and it was Trayvon on top of him.
    And this person's statements are corroborated by Zimmerman's statement.
    That is two people who were actually at the scene saying the same thing.

    Now get ready to use that independent thinker that is in your cranium.
    Are you ready?

    Now who's statements are most believable?
    The man that was on the scene who's statement Zimmerman corroborates, or this woman who was wasn't on the scene but viewed from a longer distance and through a window for a very short period of time?
    Huh?
    Who?
    Yeah, we know.
    The statement from the man on the scene is more believable and is corroborated by Zimmerman's own statement.
    The woman's statement is obviously a mis-identification.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And what is your opinion where it comes to Zimmerman ignoring the police dispatcher's order to stop following Martin?
    So what is your opinion now that you find out it wasn't an order but only a "suggestion" and had no duty to follow it?
    Any position on the other evidence presented?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Zimmerman was clearly stalking Martin.
    That is absurd.
    How do you get stalking out of NW trying to keep someone under observation until police arrive?
    Stalking is a total mis-chracterization of what occurred.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is absurd.
    How do you get stalking out of NW trying to keep someone under observation until police arrive?
    Stalking is a total mis-chracterization of what occurred.

    [Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted and obsessive attention by an individual or group to another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person and/or monitoring them.]

    I think following someone in a vehicle while armed and then getting out of vehicle to chase them follows the definition quite well.

    Forget the false point you keep bringing up of Zimmerman keeping him under observation until police arrived. You make it sound as if he was working with the police dept. Maybe in his parnaoid mind as well as yours he was some type of special agent of the police dept.

    No matter how much you and others here try to now tarnish Martin the fact is going to remain Zimmerman killed him in cold blood, period. If the police dept had done their job correct then none of us would be debating this.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Trayvon Martin case: Rev. Jesse Jackson says it's evidence that "Blacks are under attack" in America. - latimes.com

    I knew it was just a matter of time before this jackass poked his head out.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    join the active discussion on this topic. this one can be about your absolute glee over the politicization of this tragedy and your strange notion that the nation will unite over a gun rights dispute.
    This isn't a gun rights dispute, it's a criminal investigation.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The grand jury investigation of this case is most likely going to be shut down, but before anybody screams coverup, they should know that the special prosecutor appointed by Governor Scott is one of the most hard nosed Conservative prosecutors in the entire nation. Angela Corey has been criticized by Liberals for her controversial stances of trying juveniles as adults, and seeking maximum punishment in the vast majority of the cases she has tried. She will undoubtedly not be accepting any excuses from Zimmerman here. Instead, if she determines that Zimmerman broke the law, he will be going to prison for a very long time.

    In the end, this is not about Liberal versus Conservative. It is about the whole nation coming together against an asshole weekend warrior policeman wannabe who took the law into his own hands, and murdered an innocent boy. Democrats are shocked. Republicans are shocked. The police chief has been forced to step down, and justice is going to be meted out in spades. At this point, let me bring home 2 important points of Florida's Stand Your Ground Law:

    1) Under the law, you can only meet a threat with equal force. If you go further, then Stand Your Ground does not apply.

    AND (And this is most important)

    2) The person you stand up to must have been the one to initiate action which made you feel threatened. If you are stalking someone, or otherwise following them them, then it is YOU who initiated the confrontation, and Stand Your Ground does not apply. When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.

    At this time, I am not ready to say that there is a racist element to this case, in that police did not thoroughly investigate the shooting. I will chalk it up to incompetence. As for the prosecutor that Governor Scott appointed, this shows me that, if indeed, Zimmerman is to be charged with a crime, the State of Florida intends to make an example out of him, as a warning to other militia weekend warrior wannabes. In a civilized society you do NOT stalk someone, armed with a gun, for ANY reason. That's what police are for - To investigate the possibility that a crime is about to be committed, and then act accordingly. Those who are not cops, but attempt to take those kinds of powers unto themselves, as vigilantes, deserve whatever they get when they go off the reservation, as Zimmerman did.

    If there is a silver lining in all of this, it is that a law that many Florida policemen and prosecutors opposed is going to be under scrutiny, and may soon be abolished. Unfortunately, there is no silver lining for the mother of a boy who was murdered while purchasing a soft drink and a box of candy.

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    There is nothing wrong with the Stand Your Ground law, it doesnt need to be repealed or modified. As YOU pointed out, it is debateable whether Zimmerman was actually acting correctly under that law when he shot.

    Eyewitnesses have established that there was a physical fight between Zimmerman and Martin, in which Zimmerman was injured; at this point there is no solid info on who started it, but that does tend to support Z's claim to SD to some degree.... unless it is found that he initiated the confrontation himself, which is always a Bad Thing in any SD claim unless it is in your own house or yard or outbuildings.

    I have this strange thing going on here, in that I'm going to wait for the TRIAL before I convict anyone.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If there is a silver lining in all of this, it is that a law that many Florida policemen and prosecutors opposed is going to be under scrutiny, and may soon be abolished.
    That's not a silver lining.

    You pointed out specifically why the law probably doesn't apply here, and only "probably" because we don't seem to have ALL the facts like a grand jury hopefully will.

    If the law doesn't apply here - if the local police were simply incompetent and acting in error - then removing a good law that protects people from criminal and civil liability for self-defense is not "a silver lining," it would be an unfortunate outcome of stupid overreaction.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And what is your opinion where it comes to Zimmerman ignoring the police dispatcher's order to stop following Martin?
    I listened to the 911 call. Actually, Zimmerman was never ordered to stop following Martin.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) Under the law, you can only meet a threat with equal force. If you go further, then Stand Your Ground does not apply.
    Sorry, but you are wrong there. For instance, if a gang banger comes up to me that is bigger, I can and will shoot him. That would be legal.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    AND (And this is most important)

    2) The person you stand up to must have been the one to initiate action which made you feel threatened. If you are stalking someone, or otherwise following them them, then it is YOU who initiated the confrontation, and Stand Your Ground does not apply. When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.
    Zimmerman felt that Trayvon might commit a crime and was following him. That is not stalking under any law.

    The only part that is in question is what happened with the confrontation and who was the aggresor of that confrontation. You are also forgetting that Zimmerman was beaten and bloodied as well, so we know at some point Trayvon also used force. The question was did he use the force in defense or was he the aggresor. Those I can't answer and will leave up to the justice system to decide.

    I know you feel strongly about this dana, but it is not cut and dry or Zimmerman would have been arrested and tried as guilty by now if it were that simple.

    I'm not saying Zimmerman is not guilty either. I am very happy this is getting investigated finally.

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