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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So the way you dress now is an excuse to be killed, raped and or murdered?
    He wasn't shot because of the way he dressed.
    He was shot because he was in the process of attacking Zimmerman.

    And just for the record so we can knock off this hoodie bs.
    Zimmerman was observing Trayvon before he put his hood on.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yep, avoid death from over eager, Bruce Willis wannabe mother****ers by looking like a good, stand up white person.

    Hey as a white person who sometimes wears a hoodie do I deserve to die by simply walking down the street? Presenting no danger to any property or person, do I deserve to be confronted?

    I'd say, hoodie or no, confronted yes, die? nah....


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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He wasn't shot because of the way he dressed.
    He was shot because he was in the process of attacking Zimmerman.

    And just for the record so we can knock off this hoodie bs.
    Zimmerman was observing Trayvon before he put his hood on.
    Oh nose

    He put a the hood of his jacket on, kill the bastard

    He was shot because Zimmerman attacked him, lost the fight and shot him because he lost
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So the way you dress now is an excuse to be killed, raped and or murdered?

    Good to know the Taliban are not just in Afghanistan
    Lets try to be truthful....critical, not hypocritical

    Would that have happened to you or would this have happened to Martin aka @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA if either of you were wearing a suit and tie?

    If you dress and act in a manner that is associated with a certain subculture, then you're going to be assumed to be a member of said subculture and treated accordingly

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    It seems to me that since we do not have all the facts the we are condemning each man. We are trying to blame someone for a death. The real outrage should be focused on the police for not being transparent with their "investigation" because of the highly charged nature of the incident. Had the police investigated a little more, made the facts open maybe people would nor be arguing so much.

    I think the real issues are 1. The investigation
    2. Has there been police bias (perceived) in past cases
    3. Why are we making all these assumptions regarding the character of those involved. It seems as if we are assigning intent and bias to people we do not know based on very limited information.
    4. What about the issue of violence, is there another way this could have been solve? Why is it OK that this ended in violence

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He wasn't shot because of the way he dressed.
    He was shot because he was in the process of attacking Zimmerman.

    And just for the record so we can knock off this hoodie bs.
    Zimmerman was observing Trayvon before he put his hood on.
    Even if we concede the point that Travyon attacked Zimmerman, killing should be a last resort. Part of my job at my hotel is security, a guy of equal size and weight attacked me two nights ago and I would never, ever have had to shoot him. The police were on their way and he was restrained until they got there.

    The facts were Zimmerman should not have confronted Travyon in the first place, Trayvon presented no immediate danger to anyones property or persons.

    He was specifically told not to follow Trayvon. And he did.

    This whole thing could have been avoided if Zimmerman had not attempted to play Rambo.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Lets try to be truthful....critical, not hypocritical

    Would that have happened to you or would this have happened to Martin aka @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA if either of you were wearing a suit and tie?

    If you dress and act in a manner that is associated with a certain subculture, then you're going to be assumed to be a member of said subculture and treated accordingly
    So when somebody, who is not a police officer confronts me, and was stalking me I would have no rights to defend myself from said aggressive actions?

    Do you really think Zimmerman, who got out of his car and chased Trayvon on foot was just going to walk away when he caught up to Trayvon and say

    Excuse me, but can I ask what you are doing, or would he have tried to restrain him, after all he is the neighbor hood watch, and had a gun for self protection.

    Barring further evidence, I expect that Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon, which started the fight, which Zimmerman was losing, at which point he shot Trayvon
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Even if we concede the point that Travyon attacked Zimmerman, killing should be a last resort.
    Apparently it was.
    Zimmerman was calling out for help. No one came. He then used his firearm, and now Trayvon is dead.
    Seems to me it was last resort and not because it was the last thing to occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Part of my job at my hotel is security, a guy of equal size and weight attacked me two nights ago and I would never, ever have had to shoot him. The police were on their way and he was restrained until they got there.
    Anecdotal and has nothing to do with this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The facts were Zimmerman should not have confronted Travyon in the first place, Trayvon presented no immediate danger to anyones property or persons.
    Your narrative is not supported by the known facts.
    Trayvon confronted Zimmerman first.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    He was specifically told not to follow Trayvon. And he did.
    No he was not. He was given a suggestion that he was not obligated to follow.
    And after losing him, he was on his way back to his truck when he was attacked from behind.
    That means he was no longer following him at that point, as was suggested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This whole thing could have been avoided if Zimmerman had not attempted to play Rambo.
    Hyperbole.
    He wasn't playing "Rambo". And the fact that it was him crying for help before using deadly force says he wasn't playing Rambo.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Read up/....gtg will be back later

    Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?
    This cherry-picking from Martin's Facebook page (as listed in the article linked above) is pathetic. Here's a link to his wall -- with posts both before and after he was killed.

    Very sad.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I would never, ever have had to shoot him.
    This point is critical.....

    You commenting from the comfort of your computer and Zim was making a decision in a compressed time frame while being pounded by Martin


    You can *what if all day long* situations to death and you have to decide long in advance at what point you are willing to use deadly force and stick to that. There are simply too many variables to any situation to have someone authoritatively say *this is the right thing to do*.


    I don't want to sound too harsh about this, but the situation will tell you what the right thing to do is, and you will only know what that is when it's happening in real time

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