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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Zimmerman's attorney is not claiming SYG applies. His client killed Martin in self defense.



    Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case - CNN.com
    You can't get a better indication that Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground." As far as his use of deadly force to defend himself, according to Florida law, it would have been required that he reasonably believed at that moment that Martin was about to kill him or inflict great bodily harm.

    I have two problems with this.

    First and foremost, Martin also had a right to defend himself and given the to circumstances of the two individuals involved, one being an unarmed minor heading to the home he was staying following a candy run to 7-11, the other being an armed self-proclaimed adult watchman who found Martin's trek homeward "suspicious" and worthy of "tailing"; I posit that Martin had the right to defend himself from someone following him for no apparent reason; whereas Zimmerman did not have the right to defend himself with deadly force against an unarmed person defending himself from Zimmerman. Which is the second issue I have with this -- that being that Zimmerman is the one to blame for their encounter. He was the one who wrongly assumed Martin was up to no good and possibly on drugs and he is the one who, against neighborhood watch procedures, pursued and confronted a "suspect." I don't believe the law justifies an indiviual to kill someone out of self-defense in a situation they themselves create.

    No matter how this turns out, it's tragic for all involved. I have no doubt Zimmerman didn't seek to kill Martin when he first spotted him and in his prejudiced mind, believed he was performing a service for the neighborhood. And I do feel Trayvon was stupid for not simply getting himself out of that predicament when he had the chance. I know he never imagined it would turn out as horribly as it did, but he had already escaped Zimmerman's watch.

    All he had to do was to go home.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    There are no witnesses?
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Honestly, with all the media hype and race issues that have been made out of it (and the presidents involvement as well) I have a hard time believing that unbiased justice will be served or sought out.
    The President has made it impossible.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You can't get a better indication that Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground." As far as his use of deadly force to defend himself, according to Florida law, it would have been required that he reasonably believed at that moment that Martin was about to kill him or inflict great bodily harm.

    I have two problems with this.

    First and foremost, Martin also had a right to defend himself and given the to circumstances of the two individuals involved, one being an unarmed minor heading to the home he was staying following a candy run to 7-11, the other being an armed self-proclaimed adult watchman who found Martin's trek homeward "suspicious" and worthy of "tailing"; I posit that Martin had the right to defend himself from someone following him for no apparent reason; whereas Zimmerman did not have the right to defend himself with deadly force against an unarmed person defending himself from Zimmerman. Which is the second issue I have with this -- that being that Zimmerman is the one to blame for their encounter. He was the one who wrongly assumed Martin was up to no good and possibly on drugs and he is the one who, against neighborhood watch procedures, pursued and confronted a "suspect." I don't believe the law justifies an indiviual to kill someone out of self-defense in a situation they themselves create.

    No matter how this turns out, it's tragic for all involved. I have no doubt Zimmerman didn't seek to kill Martin when he first spotted him and in his prejudiced mind, believed he was performing a service for the neighborhood. And I do feel Trayvon was stupid for not simply getting himself out of that predicament when he had the chance. I know he never imagined it would turn out as horribly as it did, but he had already escaped Zimmerman's watch.

    All he had to do was to go home.
    Yes, some people want to kill anyone who calls the police on him. You have made it clear you are one such person. And because you would want to, you declare you have the right to. You've posted this what, 50 times? Of the right to violently assault someone who calls the police on you.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    There are no witnesses?
    Every witness backs up Zimmerman's story.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    isn't it true they never checked TM's cell phone and his parents had him reported as a missing person for 3 days because they didn't even try to identify the body?

    if that is true, which I believe it is, that is horrible police work.
    I do not know if that is true or not or if such allegation has been confirmed.
    It just isn't part of the known evidence.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Martin is dead and there's only one to tell the story.

    Zimmerman must articulate his reasons for shooting. Zimmerman must say that he was in immediate fear of his life or great bodily harm and he shot to stop his attacker. Period

    He must stick with his story. Practice it. Repeat it, over and over again until, he becomes what he is practicing and he is home free
    And that's exactly what he's been given all the time in the world to do. If he is taken to trial, it will all hinge upon whether or not the jury believes Trayvon was afraid when Zimmerman approached him. (If one is afraid, I am certain the SYG law would allow him to punch Zimmerman in the face a few times. And, after all, he had tried to run by Zimmerman's own conversation with the dispatcher.) The last one standing doesn't prove innocence.

    Now, let's see. Would MaggieD be afraid?? After dark...man watching me from his car...man gets out of the car and chases me when I start running...am I afraid for my life?? YoudamnbetchaIam!

    This guy said whatever he had to say to "prove" his innocence when questioned by the police at the scene. He knew what he had to say. He'd have been stupid to say anything else. If not for the 911 call, he'd simply walk. But, wait just a minute. The 911 call tells a different story.

    Kid starts to approach car. Then kid is running and Zimmerman's chasing. WTF? Who the hell did he think he was?

    It doesn't pass the MaggieD test that Zimmerman headed back to his car -- that the kid had a big enough lead so that he would head back to his car -- and that then (with that big-enough lead) Trayvon came back and attacked from behind. It just doesn't make sense. Nope. Didn't happen that way.

    Did Zimmerman set the deadly event into motion? If he set the event in motion, if he was the aggressor, in my opinion, he cannot use self-defense. "Who started it" is crucial. And I know damn well Zimmerman did...since had he simply stayed in his freakin' car, Trayvon would be alive today.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Every witness backs up Zimmerman's story.
    You do not know that.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, some people want to kill anyone who calls the police on him.
    I'm still waiting for your proof that Trayvon knew Zimmerman called the police on him???

    Either you can prove that or you can consider it proven that you're making **** up again.

    The choice is yours.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The President has made it impossible.
    Unbelievable.

    "Trayvon could've been my son." How racist.

    How ridiculous.
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