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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    please clarify, I don't see where stand your ground is specifically mentioned
    Lee quoted the 'stand your ground' statue in the link I provided-

    According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
    776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use
    of force.—
    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is
    justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action
    for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law
    enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance
    of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance
    with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have
    known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the
    term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or
    prosecuting the defendant.
    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the
    use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the
    person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the
    force that was used was unlawful.
    Sorry, I thought it was obvious from his claim in the quote I provided-

    By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
    circumstances they had at the time.
    [His emphasis]

    The 'stand your ground' statute is the only Florida law that prohibits arrest (and civil liability) without evidence to the contrary.

    Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So you agree. If a Latino calls the police on an African-American, that Latino is an instigator that may be beaten to death - and you wish he had been. Latinos are the new n....rs. All African-Americans and nearly all Democrats agree.
    Have you always had a problem with reading comprehension, or does it only surface on this forum?

    No, actully most Latinos are Democrats. You claim is stupid.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    isn't it true they never checked TM's cell phone and his parents had him reported as a missing person for 3 days because they didn't even try to identify the body?

    if that is true, which I believe it is, that is horrible police work.
    Yep, didn't check his cellphone, and it did take until the next day to inform the mother. But not the three days that I saw repeated a few times in the news. One o'clock the following afternoon, as I understand it. Don't have a link at the moment.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The grand jury investigation of this case is most likely going to be shut down, but before anybody screams coverup, they should know that the special prosecutor appointed by Governor Scott is one of the most hard nosed Conservative prosecutors in the entire nation. Angela Corey has been criticized by Liberals for her controversial stances of trying juveniles as adults, and seeking maximum punishment in the vast majority of the cases she has tried. She will undoubtedly not be accepting any excuses from Zimmerman here. Instead, if she determines that Zimmerman broke the law, he will be going to prison for a very long time.

    In the end, this is not about Liberal versus Conservative. It is about the whole nation coming together against an asshole weekend warrior policeman wannabe who took the law into his own hands, and murdered an innocent boy. Democrats are shocked. Republicans are shocked. The police chief has been forced to step down, and justice is going to be meted out in spades. At this point, let me bring home 2 important points of Florida's Stand Your Ground Law:

    1) Under the law, you can only meet a threat with equal force. If you go further, then Stand Your Ground does not apply.

    AND (And this is most important)

    2) The person you stand up to must have been the one to initiate action which made you feel threatened. If you are stalking someone, or otherwise following them them, then it is YOU who initiated the confrontation, and Stand Your Ground does not apply. When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.

    At this time, I am not ready to say that there is a racist element to this case, in that police did not thoroughly investigate the shooting. I will chalk it up to incompetence. As for the prosecutor that Governor Scott appointed, this shows me that, if indeed, Zimmerman is to be charged with a crime, the State of Florida intends to make an example out of him, as a warning to other militia weekend warrior wannabes. In a civilized society you do NOT stalk someone, armed with a gun, for ANY reason. That's what police are for - To investigate the possibility that a crime is about to be committed, and then act accordingly. Those who are not cops, but attempt to take those kinds of powers unto themselves, as vigilantes, deserve whatever they get when they go off the reservation, as Zimmerman did.

    If there is a silver lining in all of this, it is that a law that many Florida policemen and prosecutors opposed is going to be under scrutiny, and may soon be abolished. Unfortunately, there is no silver lining for the mother of a boy who was murdered while purchasing a soft drink and a box of candy.

    Article is here.
    No doubt he's going to the joint. How long? No telling.

    The outcome of this isn't a foregone conclusion. Now that there's a threat of racial violence and Obama has stuck his nose into it, it's already been decided that Zimmerman is going to down.

    The only question is, how to do it and make it look good, without violating too many of Zimmerman's rights in the process.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by mogur15 View Post
    Lee quoted the 'stand your ground' statue in the link I provided-



    Sorry, I thought it was obvious from his claim in the quote I provided-

    [His emphasis]

    The 'stand your ground' statute is the only Florida law that prohibits arrest (and civil liability) without evidence to the contrary.

    Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
    actually he is only quoting 776.032, which in turn lists any three making it apply. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031

    So he didn't actually say the decision was based on 776.013, he said it was based on 776.032

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    actually he is only quoting 776.032, which in turn lists any three making it apply. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031

    So he didn't actually say the decision was based on 776.013, he said it was based on 776.032
    I'm confused. 776.032 is the 'stand your ground' statute. Huh?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by mogur15 View Post
    I'm confused. 776.032 is the 'stand your ground' statute. Huh?
    776.013

    Number of "stand your ground" cases rises as legislators rethink law - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    I stand corrected, then. Thank you, I have a bit more reading to do.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by mogur15 View Post
    Yep, didn't check his cellphone, and it did take until the next day to inform the mother. But not the three days that I saw repeated a few times in the news. One o'clock the following afternoon, as I understand it. Don't have a link at the moment.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No doubt he's going to the joint. How long? No telling.

    The outcome of this isn't a foregone conclusion. Now that there's a threat of racial violence and Obama has stuck his nose into it, it's already been decided that Zimmerman is going to down.

    The only question is, how to do it and make it look good, without violating too many of Zimmerman's rights in the process.
    Martin is dead and there's only one to tell the story.

    Zimmerman must articulate his reasons for shooting. Zimmerman must say that he was in immediate fear of his life or great bodily harm and he shot to stop his attacker. Period

    He must stick with his story. Practice it. Repeat it, over and over again until, he becomes what he is practicing and he is home free

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