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Marine faces dismissal for anti-Obama Facebook posts

all members of the military do give uo their rights upon elisting.posting remarks about obama can be viewed as creating dissent among soldiers,which is punishable by ucmj.
 
To me, this is pretty messed up. Military should be allowed to speak their minds and give their opinions about what they are doing.

He isn't simply "speaking his mind", he is saying he will not follow the orders of the President of the United States. That is a political activity, which is not allowed by pentagon rules.

Also to note, he was warned of this in 2010 and decided to disobey a direct order by putting the page back up.

Simply put, the military has different laws and rules that are different than rules and laws for civilians.
 
nope. they give up that right, as far as their commander in chief goes, when they enlist. period.

Actually, that's not true. The only regulation in regard to politcal activity, is that a serviceman can't make political comments while in an official capacity. If he wants to make a public comments, while out of uniform and off duty, then he has every right to do so.

If this guys gets drumbed about, he needs to find a cracker jack lawyer and sue the living **** out of the government.
 
He isn't simply "speaking his mind", he is saying he will not follow the orders of the President of the United States. That is a political activity, which is not allowed by pentagon rules.

Also to note, he was warned of this in 2010 and decided to disobey a direct order by putting the page back up.

Simply put, the military has different laws and rules that are different than rules and laws for civilians.

Post the regulations you're speaking of, please. Thanks in advance.
 
Everybody seems to be on track on this. If his facebook page had 0 association with him being in the military, he might have a leg to stand on, but most likely not.
 
If this guys gets drumbed about, he needs to find a cracker jack lawyer and sue the living **** out of the government.

From the article:

The Marine Corps said Stein is allowed to express his personal opinions as long as they do not give the impression he is speaking in his official capacity as a Marine.

When he said he would not follow the orders of the President of the United States, he was doing so in his offficial capacity as a Marine. He would lose the lawsuit.
 
Post the regulations you're speaking of, please. Thanks in advance.

From the article:

According to Pentagon directives, military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement. Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials, including the defense secretary or the president.

He was doing this from a government computer AND by saying he would not follow the orders of the POTUS, he is saying so in his offical capacity as a Marine.
 
From the article:



When he said he would not follow the orders of the President of the United States, he was doing so in his offficial capacity as a Marine. He would lose the lawsuit.

Screw the article...post the NAVMAC/DOD rgulations this Marine violated. Thanks.
 
Everybody seems to be on track on this. If his facebook page had 0 association with him being in the military, he might have a leg to stand on, but most likely not.

There it is. That's why he didn't violate any regulations.
 
If this is if this is the same marine who said he wouldn't obey his commander and chief and basically implied that other shouldn't either then he should be discharged.
 
Not obeying the Commander in Chief I do have a problem with. He is dead wrong in that aspect.

But I don't have any problem with this man actively using his right to free speech to question the moves of the president or the military in a non official capacity. I recall back when Bush was president and we were going into Afghanistan and Iraq a multitude of military members actively spoke out against it and were punished. Liberals came out in droves in support of those guys. Where are they at now? Or do they only support military free speech when a republican is president?
 
Liberals came out in droves in support of those guys. Where are they at now? Or do they only support military free speech when a republican is president?


Some are hypocrites in that regards. I never have supported acts like this Marine did. Military members are supposed to conduct themselves in a professional manner. I don't feel questioning the president in this manner (whether it was Bush or Obama) is professional or legal. In fact, while I was in the military I didn't agree with the Iraq one at all. However, I conducted myself in a professional manner and I got the job done. It wasn't until I retired that I spoke out against the Iraq War.

However, I also remember some conservatives SUPPORTING those decisions to punish military members for that, now because it is Obama they don't.
 
Not obeying the Commander in Chief I do have a problem with. He is dead wrong in that aspect.



Did he disobey any order?

But I don't have any problem with this man actively using his right to free speech to question the moves of the president or the military in a non official capacity. I recall back when Bush was president and we were going into Afghanistan and Iraq a multitude of military members actively spoke out against it and were punished.

Who was punished for just speaking out?

Liberals came out in droves in support of those guys. Where are they at now? Or do they only support military free speech when a republican is president?

I think we all know the answer to that. :rofl
 
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U.S. Marine faces boot for anti-Obama Facebook posts

To me, this is pretty messed up. Military should be allowed to speak their minds and give their opinions about what they are doing.

No, you are wrong. The military cannot be involved in politics. It's the first thing I was told when I put on the uniform. Publicly criticizing the Commander in Chief or the Secretary of Defense or U.S. policy is simply not allowed, nor should it be. My commander in Chief was Richard Nixon when I was in the service, and although I loathed the man I would never, ever have allowed myself to become involved in a public political demonstration or expression of sentiments.
 
Some are hypocrites in that regards. I never have supported acts like this Marine did. Military members are supposed to conduct themselves in a professional manner. I don't feel questioning the president in this manner (whether it was Bush or Obama) is professional or legal. In fact, while I was in the military I didn't agree with the Iraq one at all. However, I conducted myself in a professional manner and I got the job done. It wasn't until I retired that I spoke out against the Iraq War.

However, I also remember some conservatives SUPPORTING those decisions to punish military members for that, now because it is Obama they don't.

Your right and it absolutely works both ways. And I respect that you choose to do you job as all military members should.

There are two parts going on here. The man saying he wouldn't or encouraging others to not follow orders, which I completely disagree with. And him expressing concern over choices the government or the president is making. That is the something the government should not suppressing.
 
Did he disobey any order?



Who was punished for just speaking out?



I think we all know the answer to that. :rofl

Who were they? If they were active duty military personnel and they spoke out against the President or U.S. policy, they should have been disciplined. Understand this, folks. The military is not a democracy. Nor is it part of the political world. If you want a military that is actively involved in politics, I'd suggest North Korea or Syria or Egypt or any of a host of South and Central American nations.
 
No, you are wrong. The military cannot be involved in politics. It's the first thing I was told when I put on the uniform. Publicly criticizing the Commander in Chief or the Secretary of Defense or U.S. policy is simply not allowed, nor should it be. My commander in Chief was Richard Nixon when I was in the service, and although I loathed the man I would never, ever have allowed myself to become involved in a public political demonstration or expression of sentiments.

My point is that it should be allowed. The people in the military have opinions and should be free to express them.
 
Actually, that's not true. The only regulation in regard to politcal activity, is that a serviceman can't make political comments while in an official capacity. If he wants to make a public comments, while out of uniform and off duty, then he has every right to do so.

If this guys gets drumbed about, he needs to find a cracker jack lawyer and sue the living **** out of the government.

Lots of luck with that lawsuit.
 
My point is that it should be allowed. The people in the military have opinions and should be free to express them.

And I respectfully suggest that no military could possible function if that was the case. Military people have every right to privately express their opinions. They do not have a right to publicy do so.
 
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