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New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

jamesrage said:
Gay marriages are not recognized on the federal level regardless if you call them gay marriage, or closet gay marriage supporter term like civil union or domestic partnership.
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That will change as soon as DOMA is repealed or knocked down by the SCOTUS. In order to have civil unions, of any type, recognized, completely different rules will need to be written, not just an act repealed.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Civil unions are not recognized on a federal level. Only marriages are.



Wiki ~ Civil Unions

So even if a state gives full legal benefits to a civil union for SSM it is not recognized on a federal level.

Again, seperate but equal is not equal.
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First of all your link is crap........anyone can make a change to it and do.

Just steal another word and use it like you did gay.
 
roguenuke said:
You mean like the indoctrination that took place that taught children that being in interracial relationships was a suitable alternate lifestyle?
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Same ol **** different day...........No comparison.
 
roguenuke said:
You mean like the indoctrination that took place that taught children that being in interracial relationships was a suitable alternate lifestyle?
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Obama already addressed that. I wish you would stop calling him things like intolerant. Next thing you know its homophobe...bigot...can you believe some people actually VOTED for someone like that?
 
roguenuke said:
That will change as soon as DOMA is repealed or knocked down by the SCOTUS. In order to have civil unions, of any type, recognized, completely different rules will need to be written, not just an act repealed.
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I think you will find that the SCOTUS will defeat your cause by a 5-4 vote with Kennedy giving the deciding vote...
 
VanceMack said:
Obama already addressed that. I wish you would stop calling him things like intolerant. Next thing you know its homophobe...bigot...can you believe some people actually VOTED for someone like that?
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I actually with Hussein Obama on this one.......
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Segregation isn't limited to objects and buildings. You're segregating a right. And what the hell is so important about not calling it marriage. If you're gonna give it the exact same entitlements and benefits, then just call it marriage. Enough with the appeal to tradition. It's getting old.

And if were gonna play a card game, it's gonna be Texas Hold 'Em.
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no, we should call a ceremony performed in a church a marriage. ALL other unions are simply civil unions.
 
liblady said:
no, we should call a ceremony performed in a church a marriage. ALL other unions are simply civil unions.
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No, that doesn't work either, because (guess what!?) nonreligious people DO exist and some of us just might want to get married, too.

You know what we ought to get rid of instead? We ought to get rid of the stubborn, entitled, bronze-age, bigoted presumption that it's OK for some privileged folks to impose their religious beliefs upon the laws we are ALL subjected to just because they've been having their way for a while already.

Not just no, but HELL no.

People can CALL their families and relationships by whatever name they choose. But as soon as the state (the government) is involved, there must be a consistent and rational standard. If you're up to the challenge of convincing millions of already-married hetero couples to have their legal marriage certificates revised to be civil unions (and give up any and all rights associated with being legally recognized as married, not just united), then have at it.

In the mean time, I'll go ahead and stick with the push (difficult, but still easier than changing the far more numerous hetero marriage statuses) to give full legal equality to gay and lesbian couples.
 
Navy Pride said:
I think you will find that the SCOTUS will defeat your cause by a 5-4 vote with Kennedy giving the deciding vote...
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First, I think you're wrong about Kennedy, but who knows?

Second, even if the current SCOTUS defeats it, it will keep coming up until DOMA is repealed or taken down.
 
Navy Pride said:
Same ol **** different day...........No comparison.
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Right back at you.

You can deny all you want but the arguments are pretty much the same. So yes it is "same ol **** different day".
 
VanceMack said:
Obama already addressed that. I wish you would stop calling him things like intolerant. Next thing you know its homophobe...bigot...can you believe some people actually VOTED for someone like that?
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Calling who intolerant? Obama? Is he trying to keep same sex marriage illegal? If so, I'd call him intolerant as well.

Also, are you assuming that I voted for him? You would be wrong.
 
liblady said:
no, we should call a ceremony performed in a church a marriage. ALL other unions are simply civil unions.
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Why? I'm legally married but I was not married in church.

And marriages existed long before the church got involved with them. No religion owns marriage, nor should they. In fact, religion as a whole should not own marriage because it has existed as a way to legally join families long before religions got involved with it.

BTW, religions only got involved with it as another way to control people's lives. Make it a religious rite, requiring a religious official to oversee it and now people have to get the church's permission to marry despite not needing it before. It wasn't even til the 1500s that marriage was written into canon law.
 
cmakaioz said:
No, that doesn't work either, because (guess what!?) nonreligious people DO exist and some of us just might want to get married, too.
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I can see this argument though. Essentially you get rid of the Marriage License. You have in place a series of contracts which can be entered into which for all intents and purposes will get you "marriage rights", or whatever comes with the whole brouhaha. Marriage itself can then be left, once again, to religion. I would be fine with that. However, so long as the Marriage License exists as it exists current, a government recognized and issued contract, then I fail to see any logical reason as to the exclusion of same sex couples.
 
roguenuke said:
First, I think you're wrong about Kennedy, but who knows?

Second, even if the current SCOTUS defeats it, it will keep coming up until DOMA is repealed or taken down.
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I have a flash for you.....Justice Kennedy is a Conservative and usually votes that way


Not in your life time.
 
roguenuke said:
Right back at you.

You can deny all you want but the arguments are pretty much the same. So yes it is "same ol **** different day".
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Its a terrible insult to black americans to say that.......The trials and tribulation gays go through is nothing compared to slavery and is a lot brought on themselves sadly by a few militant gays and a whole bunch of Libs like you
 
roguenuke said:
Calling who intolerant? Obama? Is he trying to keep same sex marriage illegal? If so, I'd call him intolerant as well.

Also, are you assuming that I voted for him? You would be wrong.
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He has said over and over again thet he is against Gay Marriage..........He ran for the presidency under that belief............Is he a liar?
 
I was born in Manchester. This is just a little sabre rattling by the homophobes. Nothing will change.
 
Navy Pride said:
watch the Liberal news. Read the papers on line.....You can say anything you want about straight people without any reprisals.........Don't do that with a gay.
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I certainly havent noticed that at all. And there is no proof in that post btw.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know why people cant just be more like Clinton and Obama when it comes to gay marriage...
Obama on Gay Marriage: "I Struggle With This" - YouTube

"Wrestling with it" of course means I oppose it, but if it becomes politically expedient...well...I'll definitely reconsider.

Funny how he isnt labelled a bigot and homophobe...
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Thats because he has done more for gay rights then anyone else so far. Although he could certainly do more.
 
liblady said:
no, we should call a ceremony performed in a church a marriage. ALL other unions are simply civil unions.
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Im actually fine with that. I prefer marriage instead of civil unions but as long as it isnt a separate institution im fine.
 
Omgitsme said:
Thats because he has done more for gay rights then anyone else so far. Although he could certainly do more.
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Horse****. He held those positions while CANDIDATE Obama. Plain and simple fact is that the left are pure hypocrites on this issue...ways have been...and always will be. Is not just Obama...it's EVERY elected democrat. They simply don't bother asking...or caring.
 
Boo Radley said:
The people have no right to tell anyone what adult human non sibling they can marry. It is frankly none of your damn business. You don't believe in same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.
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Do you believe that the people who comprise the society should have no say in the mores of the society they are a part of?

I think the states are the right place to decide of men shall marry men and women marry women. If a state wants men to marry men then any who choose to marry may move there.
 
roguenuke said:
Calling who intolerant? Obama? Is he trying to keep same sex marriage illegal? If so, I'd call him intolerant as well.

Also, are you assuming that I voted for him? You would be wrong.
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Obama has held the same position on gay marriage as most conservatives. In his videos he literally...now get this...LITERALLY sits there and TELLS them it's OK. He understands why they would be upset. He understands why they would disagree. He gets it...but he disagrees. And guess what? NOTHING. No shrill screams...no glitter bombs...no accusations of homophobia. Nothing. AMAZING how tolerant of his 'intolerance they are, init?
 
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