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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

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    well I retired August 1977 and there might have been pregnant chiefs but I never saw one........Oh and I was talking about the "Under God" in the pledge......
    Under God was not in the original pledge. It was added later because we were afraid of communists.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    True, but we were told that a republic was just another name for a democracy, no difference. The anti-democratic slogans "mob rule" and "tyranny of the majority" weren't used back then either. A great nation makes a lousy "republic." Being told since then that we are just an irrational and vicious mob and bloodthirst tyrants has sapped our pride. Without pride, the majority will soon have nothing to be proud about anyway. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Clandestine View Post
    What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?
    Civil unions aren't in your face enough. They MUST be recognized as "normal". That's the primary crux of it.

    The true issues vary. Yes, a gay partner should have visiting rights in a hospital, and the ability to make medical decisions if there is a civil union in place. However, should a company be required to carry a gay partner on an insurance plan? Should their credit ratings be tied together like a married couple? Should they have to pay the marriage penalty in taxes? And if they split up (which fail at a much higher rate than heterosexual relationships), how do you split the assets? Who gets the kids if they're raised from birth in the same home?

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Civil unions aren't in your face enough. They MUST be recognized as "normal". That's the primary crux of it.

    The true issues vary. Yes, a gay partner should have visiting rights in a hospital, and the ability to make medical decisions if there is a civil union in place. However, should a company be required to carry a gay partner on an insurance plan? Should their credit ratings be tied together like a married couple? Should they have to pay the marriage penalty in taxes? And if they split up (which fail at a much higher rate than heterosexual relationships), how do you split the assets? Who gets the kids if they're raised from birth in the same home?
    Why not. If the person wasn't gay and married, they'd have to pay. If you agree to pay for a spouse, a spouse is a spouse. The same rules should apply across the board. We've dealt with high rates among the heterosexual population and we don't have marriage bonds to compare with homosexuals. In any case, there is no need for separate rules.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Clandestine View Post
    What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?
    The main purpose is equality. Creating a separate institution is not equal.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

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    If you retired in 77, chances where you were a kid before they added "Under God" to the pledge. Guess it really wasn't "before your time" old man.
    If you think it hurts me by calling me and old man your wrong and no it wasn't before my time........I am 74 years old and although I had some health problems last year still work out 3 or 4 times a week and jog on my treadmill...

    The point is "Under God" is there now and has been upheld by he SCOTUS when people like you tried to get it thrown out........
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    The main purpose is equality. Creating a separate institution is not equal.
    What if the separate institute was superior to marraige my left wing friend?
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Civil unions aren't in your face enough. They MUST be recognized as "normal". That's the primary crux of it.

    The true issues vary. Yes, a gay partner should have visiting rights in a hospital, and the ability to make medical decisions if there is a civil union in place. However, should a company be required to carry a gay partner on an insurance plan? Should their credit ratings be tied together like a married couple? Should they have to pay the marriage penalty in taxes? And if they split up (which fail at a much higher rate than heterosexual relationships), how do you split the assets? Who gets the kids if they're raised from birth in the same home?
    I don't see why those things shouldn't happen. Those are the same issues that heterosexual married couples face so what's the big deal? And when's the last time someone else's marriage was "in your face"?
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