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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Rights are like a club, in that those already in it should not be forced to admit someone they don't want unless he can pass an interview. Gays have really been disgusting the public and deserve to have the public over-react. Your slippery argument would also hold about giving children all the rights of adults.
    Setting aside your bigotry and general exceptionalism for a moment, you still haven't offered any basis for your stance other than rationalizing mob rule...on the basis of appeal to mob rule. That's not an argument...that's a thinly veiled threat of force, wrapped in false populism.

    And yet again, you haven't made even the slightest attempt to address the fact that there is no rational basis upon which to legally recognize the marriages of hetero couples but to deny such recognition to the marriages of homosexual couples.

    Hint: "Gays make lots of people feel icky" is not a rational basis, but an open appeal to bigotry.

    Bigots make ME feel icky, but I don't for a moment consider that to be a reasonable basis for arguing that bigots shouldn't be allowed to have the same rights as anyone else.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Setting aside your bigotry and general exceptionalism for a moment, you still haven't offered any basis for your stance other than rationalizing mob rule...on the basis of appeal to mob rule. That's not an argument...that's a thinly veiled threat of force, wrapped in false populism.

    And yet again, you haven't made even the slightest attempt to address the fact that there is no rational basis upon which to legally recognize the marriages of hetero couples but to deny such recognition to the marriages of homosexual couples.

    Hint: "Gays make lots of people feel icky" is not a rational basis, but an open appeal to bigotry.

    Bigots make ME feel icky, but I don't for a moment consider that to be a reasonable basis for arguing that bigots shouldn't be allowed to have the same rights as anyone else.
    Petitio principii. You assume that a negative reaction to something is bigotry; that majority rule is mob rule; that if some people have a right, then everybody should have that right; and that the intimidating way the majority has been tamed into accepting minority rights is merely instruction by people who are better than them.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Petitio principii. You assume that a negative reaction to something is bigotry; that majority rule is mob rule; that if some people have a right, then everybody should have that right; and that the intimidating way the majority has been tamed into accepting minority rights is merely instruction by people who are better than them.
    When it comes to SSM there is bigotry involved for the simple fact that there is no valid factual reason to deny SSM.

    Majority rule IS mob rule. Always.

    Umm...how can the minority intimidate the majority? Answer: They cannot.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Petitio principii. You assume that a negative reaction to something is bigotry; that majority rule is mob rule; that if some people have a right, then everybody should have that right; and that the intimidating way the majority has been tamed into accepting minority rights is merely instruction by people who are better than them.
    You've yet to demonstrate something other than bigotry as the basis for opposition to same-sex marriage.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    I really laugh at our left wing friends..........when they have nothing else they always play the bigotry or race card......I wonder if they even know how shallow that is....Probably not..........
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When it comes to SSM there is bigotry involved for the simple fact that there is no valid factual reason to deny SSM.

    Majority rule IS mob rule. Always.

    Umm...how can the minority intimidate the majority? Answer: They cannot.

    So when we elect a president or senator in your eyes that is mob rule because we vote for them.............
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When it comes to SSM there is bigotry involved for the simple fact that there is no valid factual reason to deny SSM.

    Majority rule IS mob rule. Always.

    Umm...how can the minority intimidate the majority? Answer: They cannot.
    The rich are a minority and definitely intimidate the majority. And if you look deeply into these anti-majority movements, you can see that they are all orchestrated by the rich (who else has the power to do so?) in order to soften the majority up for minority-rule economics. As for SSM, I agree that it is private matter. But just as those who supported both Iraq wars were really motivated about OPEC price-gouging, those who vote against same-sex marriage are really motivated by other frustrating attacks against traditional values.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
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    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I really laugh at our left wing friends..........when they have nothing else they always play the bigotry or race card......I wonder if they even know how shallow that is....Probably not..........
    And I always laugh at people like you who have literally no justification from treating people as second-class citizens other than "I think it's icky." Yet you'll sit there and whine and cry and try and act like this is all about you and your rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So when we elect a president or senator in your eyes that is mob rule because we vote for them.............
    If you don't understand the difference between direct and representative democracy, I don't know what to tell you.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I really laugh at our left wing friends..........when they have nothing else they always play the bigotry or race card......I wonder if they even know how shallow that is....Probably not..........
    Of course they know. They are just trying to see if they can sucker us into their shallow toxic cesspool. The race card is a Joker. But they can declare it wild if it's in their hands only.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So when we elect a president or senator in your eyes that is mob rule because we vote for them.............
    No, but if a bunch of you vote to make a new law which infringes on the rights and liberties of the minority, we do have a system in check to prevent that. And that's there for a purpose.
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