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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This should knockdown future gay marriages in this state and when the SCOTUS voids gay marriage then all those other marriages will be voided. Lets see how one of the most liberal states votes.


    DARIUS DIXON | 3/21/12 7:11 AM EDT

    The New Hampshire House is expected to vote Wednesday on whether to repeal the state’s two-year-old law that legalized gay marriage.
    Republicans backing the rollback bill say it would define marriage as between a man and woman, while allowing the state’s nearly 2,000 existing same-sex marriages to remain valid, The Associated Press reports. If approved, the measure would take affect in March 2013 and re-establish civil unions for same-sex couples




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    It looks like the attempt to rename gay marriage to civil union has failed.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    I suppose that is the last we will see of NP for awhile.

    He seems to resurface every few weeks and create a thread to make predictions about whatever challenge to gay rights is occurring that day and then disappear again for a few weeks when he is proven wrong.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The people have no right to tell anyone what adult human non sibling they can marry. It is frankly none of your damn business. You don't believe in same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.
    You are correct, up until the point that said marriage bestows upon the individuals benefits by the government that is based upon a foundation of citizens having input in what it does. At said point, it absolutely DOES become everyones right to tell another adult human who they can marry to gain government benefits as long as said restriction is within the boundries of the law.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know why people cant just be more like Clinton and Obama when it comes to gay marriage...
    Obama on Gay Marriage: "I Struggle With This" - YouTube

    "Wrestling with it" of course means I oppose it, but if it becomes politically expedient...well...I'll definitely reconsider.

    Funny how he isnt labelled a bigot and homophobe...
    I think Obama's position is more along the lines of I support it, but I need to protect my ass at least for the next six months.

    But either way, not exactly respectable, I agree.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    if heterosexual marriages are recognized by the government, homosexual marriages must also be recognized. equal protection under the law.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You are correct, up until the point that said marriage bestows upon the individuals benefits by the government that is based upon a foundation of citizens having input in what it does. At said point, it absolutely DOES become everyones right to tell another adult human who they can marry to gain government benefits as long as said restriction is within the boundries of the law.
    You are 100% correct.
    The boundaries of the law allows for equal protection under the law. So, as long as the Federal government allows the recognition of marriage for one group of people, so must they allow for recognition for all.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    You are 100% correct.
    The boundaries of the law allows for equal protection under the law. So, as long as the Federal government allows the recognition of marriage for one group of people, so must they allow for recognition for all.
    Again, incorrect.

    The Federal Government absolutely CAN discriminate against groups and does not have to provide equal protection in all cases, only in specific instances where the government can not offer up the required defense in regards to the need for said discrimination and the reason that said discrimination fits that need.

    Whether or not the government has such a legitimate argument against Gay Marriage and/or Same Sex Marriage is still up for debate, and at this point there's been no SCOTUS ruling suggesting that they don't have such an argument. Until such time, yes....people absolutely do have a right to have a say in whether or not they wish to have their state allow gay marriage.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think Obama's position is more along the lines of I support it, but I need to protect my ass at least for the next six months.

    But either way, not exactly respectable, I agree.
    For the record...I have said it before...I would vote against it in my state (my opinion is identicval to that expressed by candidate Obama, President Clinton and MANY prominent democrats), but if the vote were for it, the sun would still come up. In my opinion, once the citizens of a state have been given a referendum and had the opportunity to vote for gay marriage and has voted to legalize gay marriage, I believe it is cruel to then change their mind and suddenly disallow gay marriages. This shouldnt be a revolving door issue based on the whims of political change. These are people and their lives that are being ****ed with. Very inappropriate IMO.

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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Im fine with people taking Obamas position of not supporting it but not fighting it. I will explain to them why I believe they should support it however. What I really dont like though is when people actively fight against SSM.
    I'm not. I *understand* why career politicians shy away from, you know, integrity...but being understandable doesn't make it any less of an evasion. Also, to be clear, there's no such thing as "neutral" in terms of actual effect. One may intend to not have an impact on an issue one way or another, but in reality it doesn't actually work that way. In any deeply contested struggle, one's inaction favors whatever direction has the most momentum at the time. Politicians get away with such abandonment-via-false-neutrality through at least two avenues:

    First, most of them can rely upon doing the obvious math that The Other Guy (in this case, the folks going out of their way to push theocracy and legislation openly discriminating against gay and lesbian couples) will correctly be seen as Even Worse, so candidates can usually count on victory (on such issues) through the Lesser-of-Evils/Damage Control approach employed by many (if not most) voters;

    Second, at the moment there is massive momentum in favor of legal recognition of marriage for gay couples, helped in no small part by the transparent bigotry and the bankruptcy of the legal arguments being put forth by these same bigots. The farcical incompetence of the legal counsel in the Prop 8 challenges is the archetypal example of this. I'm hard pressed to think of many civil rights cases where the expert witnesses ostensibly marshaled to testify on behalf of the opponents of equal treatment...end up offering testimony which undermines the arguments of "their" side. The icing on the cake was the pro-Prop 8 counsel's assertion that they didn't really need to make a case in the first place (as if ruling in their favor was just a self-obvious/fated outcome). Most civil rights struggles are not so fortunate in terms of having bumbling morons acting as the opposition's generals. So in any case, cowardly politicians can take advantage of this momentum by declining to take a principled stand, knowing that the momentum of recent court decisions will take the heat off of them.
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    Re: New Hampshire to vote on gay marriage repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    You are 100% correct.
    The boundaries of the law allows for equal protection under the law. So, as long as the Federal government allows the recognition of marriage for one group of people, so must they allow for recognition for all.
    Are you implying that all sovereign power rests with the federal government and none with the people? Is that not the exact opposite of the reason and purpose of a revolution and our founding? If the people have no say then it is time for another revolution.

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