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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You didn't answer my question. How would they do it?
    They do it by finding people who will sell to them.If they can't then they don't have the option of building a pipeline.Just like if someone wants to but a shop at a certian corner and the property owner refuses to sell and then they don't have the option of building a shop at that corner. Private company owner's rights do not trump private property owner's rights.

    How do you get any kind of utility across America? I can't imagine doing it without buying people's land.
    Pulbic utlities use public easement.But again a oil pipeline for a privately owner company especially a oil pipe line for export is not a utlity.This is no different than Bank,grocery store or some other business wanting to take your property so they can build a parking lot or expand.

    I don't like the overuse of eminent domain either.
    Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period. This amounts to letting walmart forcefully take someone's property with eminent domain so they can build a Sams or Walmart.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't see the big deal. They come in, dig a ditch, bury a pipeline, fill the ditch in and leave. Am I missing something here?
    The big deal is that they are threatening to use eminent domain to take the property.The other big deal is that private property owners should not be be forced to let a private company especially a private owned company from another country use their land.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Couple of ways it can be done. Easement rights that they have to pay for or lease. Pay for a portion of the property through which they need to go. But having the government strip away the property rights and force a sale or easement seems very contrary to what property rights are about to me.

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't see the big deal. They come in, dig a ditch, bury a pipeline, fill the ditch in and leave. Am I missing something here?
    I don't see the big deal. I come over to your house, sleep on your porch, park my car in your driveway for a few months, then I leave.

    With that aside, property owners have the right to their property. What if I am wanting to get married in my back yard? I can't because these people building a #@$%@# pipe won't let me because they are building a pipe in my property. I could name numerous more examples of wanting to use my own property and not being able to because a PRIVATE company wants to put a pipe under my property.

    If we start letting PRIVATE companies dictate what or when we can use our own property, it's gone too far.

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't see the big deal. I come over to your house, sleep on your porch, park my car in your driveway for a few months, then I leave.

    With that aside, property owners have the right to their property. What if I am wanting to get married in my back yard? I can't because these people building a #@$%@# pipe won't let me because they are building a pipe in my property. I could name numerous more examples of wanting to use my own property and not being able to because a PRIVATE company wants to put a pipe under my property.

    If we start letting PRIVATE companies dictate what or when we can use our own property, it's gone too far.
    You do have one good point. When they put a pipeline through my backyard I couldn't build a deck quite as big as I wanted to because you couldn't build closer than 15 feet from the pipeline. Problem is without eminent domain we could never get highways, train tracks or pipelines which all are needed.

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You do have one good point. When they put a pipeline through my backyard I couldn't build a deck quite as big as I wanted to because you couldn't build closer than 15 feet from the pipeline. Problem is without eminent domain we could never get highways, train tracks or pipelines which all are needed.
    As far as I known things like Highways and train tracks are public property.A oil pipeline is not public property or even a utility.

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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