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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not a huge fan of eminent domain, as carried out under the Kelo decision, however, this is far from that in my understanding. For instance, what if these owners were having their land used for a school, or a highway? Would a more traditional use then be ok?


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    A highway is okay a school is not. Besides that were not talking about a highway or school.This a privately owned company wanting to take land so it can build something for private use.This Amounts to a walmart,Sears, Kmart, Home Depot or some other privately own company trying to take your land to build a parking lot. Worst of all this is a foreign privately owned company using eminent domain to try to take land from American land owners.
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I don't sympathize with any company who uses eminent domain. So as far as I am concerned "Keystone XL Pipeline" can eat a dick.
    How else could they build the pipeline down the middle of the country?
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A highway is okay a school is not. Besides that were not talking about a highway or school.This a privately owned company wanting to take land so it can build something for private use.This Amounts to a walmart,Sears, Kmart, Home Depot or some other privately own company trying to take your land to build a parking lot. Worst of all this is a foreign privately owned company using eminent domain to try to take land from American land owners.
    How do long high voltage electric lines get built?
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How else could they build the pipeline down the middle of the country?
    If they can't get the necessary property without trying to forcefully take property then that's just too bad. Private property rights outweigh a private company's need to build a pipeline.
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A highway is okay a school is not. Besides that were not talking about a highway or school.This a privately owned company wanting to take land so it can build something for private use.This Amounts to a walmart,Sears, Kmart, Home Depot or some other privately own company trying to take your land to build a parking lot. Worst of all this is a foreign privately owned company using eminent domain to try to take land from American land owners.
    I have to disagree with you on this one. The pipeline is about making us less dependent on mid east oil and I am for it. Eminent domain is precisely for this sort of thing and I don't see a pipeline underground a huge problem. I had a house on the outskirts of town once that Avista built a gas pipe line through with eminent domain. They tore down everyones fences, dug up trees and put their pipeline in. Then they rebuilt the fences, replanted trees and seeded new lawns. All in all I was very satisfied with their work.

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How do long high voltage electric lines get built?
    Voltage lines are a public utility,which I think fall under utility easements. A oil pipeline is not a public utility.
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have to disagree with you on this one. The pipeline is about making us less dependent on mid east oil and I am for it. .
    The oil pipeline is for export.So it doesn't help us with squat.

    Eminent domain is precisely for this sort of thing and I don't see a pipeline underground a huge problem. I had a house on the outskirts of town once that Avista built a gas pipe line through with eminent domain. They tore down everyones fences, dug up trees and put their pipeline in. Then they rebuilt the fences, replanted trees and seeded new lawns. All in all I was very satisfied with their work
    Eminent domain was not for this sort of thing.
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    I was reading through the posts and about to say it, but jamesrage beat me to it. It's been mentioned so many times before. Keystone will be for export. Canadian oil coming down to our Gulf Coast, loading on the big tankers, then oil goes to the world market for the big multi-nat oil companies. It won't bring down our domestic petroleum prices, people!
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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The oil pipeline is for export.So it doesn't help us with squat.


    Eminent domain was not for this sort of thing.
    I don't see the big deal. They come in, dig a ditch, bury a pipeline, fill the ditch in and leave. Am I missing something here?

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    Re: Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they can't get the necessary property without trying to forcefully take property then that's just too bad. Private property rights outweigh a private company's need to build a pipeline.
    You didn't answer my question. How would they do it? I'm not judging you, just asking. How do you get any kind of utility across America? I can't imagine doing it without buying people's land. I don't like the overuse of eminent domain either.
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