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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Oh joy. Lets hear some examples.
    Department of Housing and Urban Development
    Department of Education
    Social Security
    Welfare
    Medicare
    All Foreign Aid
    All Domestic Farm & Business Aid
    Disaster Relief Aid

    I could go on, but that should give you an idea...

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Department of Housing and Urban Development
    Department of Education
    Social Security
    Welfare
    Medicare
    All Foreign Aid
    All Domestic Farm & Business Aid
    Disaster Relief Aid

    I could go on, but that should give you an idea...
    And what is your problem with those?

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Here is the process, Ryan's plan will pass in the House, and Harry will not take it up in the Senate, so it dies there. Now the Republican candidate will use this to go after Obama and the Dem's so to get the Senate back in the hands of Republicans to begin passing spending cuts.
    Or on the other hand the Dems might use it to get the House back when the voters realize that the plan kills Medicare and raises taxes on the middle class to finance more tax cuts for the wealthy. And it will do nothing to reduce the deficit.

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    And what is your problem with those?
    Very simply the fact that there is no Constitutional Mandate in Article I, Section 8 for any of them. Just as there is no mandate for US Military Bases anywhere outside US Territory.

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Very simply the fact that there is no Constitutional Mandate in Article I, Section 8 for any of them. Just as there is no mandate for US Military Bases anywhere outside US Territory.
    Where does the constitution specifically ban them?

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    My Plan (not quite the mirror opposite of Tigg's, but close.

    Department of Housing and Urban Development (probably could be some cuts, but this doesn't just aid the poor, it also aids towns & cities).
    Department of Education (I don't like cuts in this area). Public education is a cornerstone for America's future. We want to stay competive with the world. Cutting ed does not accomplish that. I would like to see low interest college loans available also).
    Social Security (We know Tigger hates this. Imagine a retirement fund for everyone. And it has no impact on the budget. The program has funds for like the next 25+ years, at this point. Besides any messing with SS pisses off the elderly voters and every politician knows that).
    Welfare (I'd rather it be work-fair. If that is socialist, so be it! You can't turn women and children out in the cold. Well, Tigger could, but I wouldn't.).
    Medicare (Sure. I'd mess with it. Put everyone on a one payor, Affordable Health Care Plan! Chuck those darned for profit, privite health insurance companies. Employers wouldn't have to worry about the cost of buying health insurance for their workers, either).
    All Foreign Aid (Yes, there can be cuts here, but not completely.).
    All Domestic Farm & Business Aid (Oh, probably some cuts, but more tax break for companies that hire workers. And you don't really want to piss off the farmers. They feed us, folks!).
    Disaster Relief Aid (Ridiculous! Just for that, may you experience floods and pestiluence!). Just No.

    Additions: Reinstate tariffs. Less purchasing from countries that tariff us & or don't purchase our products. Big taxes for companies that outsource American jobs. Re-write tax tables, and reduce cooperate loopholes.

    We're leaving Afghanistan. So, hopefully military spending will go down automically. I'd like to see spending on military weapons and supplies be more efficient. No more "no bid" contracts on anything. And why can't the military do it's own mess detail again, instead of private contractors feeding and running kitchens?
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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Very simply the fact that there is no Constitutional Mandate in Article I, Section 8 for any of them. Just as there is no mandate for US Military Bases anywhere outside US Territory.
    Let's have some fun!

    We'll start with the first two, the departments. They are, of course, parts of the executive branch, not the legislative, and are thus covered under Article II, Section 2, which fully authorizes the president to have whatever departments so desired, and does not list which topics can or cannot have departments dedicated to them.

    The rest are easily covered under the very first clause of Article I, Section 8, the power of congress to tax and spend for the general welfare. That clause is actually one of substance, as opposed to the final one, the necessary and proper clause, which does not entail congress to any powers not otherwise covered in the section. Additionally, foreign aid is authorized in the commerce clause, allowing congress to regulate trade with foreign nations.

    Buy a textbook about constitutional law. Read it. And then you won't make silly claims like this that have no actual bearing on the way American law has been conducted for the last two hundred years.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Where does the constitution specifically ban them?

    It doesn't have to. Congress has enumerated powers. Any power not specifically granted to it is denied it. It's just that many powers involving the taxing and spending of money are specifically granted to it, much to the chagrin of some folks.
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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    so the "solution", once again, is a ten percent tax cut for the top marginal rate while cutting safety net programs.

    i am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Where does the constitution specifically ban them?
    That's not how it works.

    The Constitution is a power grant. It enumerates specific powers; the government may only do what the Constitution authorizes. It doesn't have to "ban" anything; if it doesn't grant it, then the government can't do it.

    But if you want to go down that rabbit hole, where does the Constitution "specifically ban" the government from shutting down the Internet whenever it chooses? Or individual websites? Or your own personal access to it?

    Where does it "specifically ban" the government from deciding for you what color your car will be? Or what you'll name your children?
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    Re: House GOP to release budget blueprint that slashes spending

    Let's be clear: In Ryan's "draconian, politically impossible" budget the United States won't run a surplus until 2040. The budget that is too radical in it's "unworkable" spending cuts takes a mere 28 years for our budget to be back in the black. The CBO Alternative Fiscal Scenario? Well, by that measure we'll be bankrupt long before we even get there. If we are at this point politically we might as well just give up now and get it over with.

    http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFile...ary_tables.pdf
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