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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Just to clarify again, a wife is not entitled to Social Security benefits when her husband dies until she turns age 60.
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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    "Congress shall make no law giving government loot to popsicle kids."
    You mean a document written in the 18th century by a slave owning, affluent, white, male minority is mute on a 21st century issue? I for one am absolutely shocked.
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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'll bank some sperm, you get pregnant if I die, and you'll get a monthly annuity until the kid's 18 years old." (My cynical lil' mind.)
    I think the cost of monthly sperm banking would exceed the cost of a good term life insurance policy.

    Specimen Storage per patient - Cost per month $70

    the majority of people who purchase term life insurance buy a policy for 20 or 30 years and average $30 to $40 per month for middle aged females or males respectively
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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They shouldn't get benefits, in my opinion.
    Those benefits are designed for the children of deceased people, with whom they relied on for income, livelihood, etc.

    In this case, the children were conceived after the death, so there was no expectation of them having their father, to get living resources from.
    original intent FTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just to clarify again, a wife is not entitled to Social Security benefits when her husband dies until she turns age 60.
    I didn't get your reply to my statement until just now. Thanks for clarifying and thus I agree with you and Harry; however, I think this brings up an investing point. If the one spouse sports another, then why does a widow (er) have to wait till 60 to receive some form of benefit, for atleast a little bit while he/she looks for employment or trains for new employment

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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    One great side benefit of this thread...it's made me realize I need to get on the ball with a term life insurance policy.
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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I didn't get your reply to my statement until just now. Thanks for clarifying and thus I agree with you and Harry; however, I think this brings up an investing point. If the one spouse sports another, then why does a widow (er) have to wait till 60 to receive some form of benefit, for atleast a little bit while he/she looks for employment or trains for new employment

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    Social Security benefits were not designed to be anything other than retirement benefits. That a spouse can receive benefits at age 60 from a deceased spouse speaks to retirement...not ongoing support when one is younger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Social Security benefits were not designed to be anything other than retirement benefits. That a spouse can receive benefits at age 60 from a deceased spouse speaks to retirement...not ongoing support when one is younger.
    I know what it was designed for. But IMO it would be cheaper to let the widow(er) draw for a short time than have them on welfare. That said SS can and should be handled privately. It should be an opt in system IMO.

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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Justice Scalia says, on the other hand, to the effect that this isn't about applying an old law to new technology, this is about whether children who are born after the death of one parent are entitled to Social Security benefits.

    I'm on the fence and am interested in reading others opinions.

    Should these children (who were conceived after their father died) be entitled to benefits from their deceased father? What was the intent of the original benefit?
    If the father is dead before insemination began, no.
    If the father died during pregnancy, it should be the same as any normal conception
    If the father died after the baby is born, yes

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    Re: Justices ponder whether babies born through artificial insemination should . . .

    Whether she was pregnant at the time of the husband's death would be determinative. Since she was not and the children were born 18 months after his death they are not entitled to the father's social security benefits.

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