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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

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    Yu are actually making my point for me.
    Well I agree with many of your points.

    Unlike the Teaparty and the Ocuppiers I actually believe in the power of our Constitution to govern this country
    It's a great constitution and feel other countries should have adopted it as their own. It should be a source of inspiration everywhere. But it is always at the risk of being undermined and that seems to have been happening for a while now by Presidents and judges who feel they know better, or who follow the fashions of the day,
    Not saying that it wont take work but I am not going to just throw my hands up in pessimism.

    Movements like the Tea party and the occupy movement only create conflict in an inorganic march to do doomsday. Which in the end is what both radical groups want. They believe that their version of America will grow up out of the ashes. But just like in every election they underestimate American patriotism and the fact that it defies party lines.

    I sincerely hope there are more Americans like you who share that attitude.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I understand you have strong opinions but feel you' appear to be just letting your rage out rather than getting into specifics about what people can actually do to change things, something that could unite people into a common cause.

    We can see people protesting from every direction but it all seems incoherent, just a strong and general dissatisfaction.

    What do you think can be done to turn things around? What are the top three issues in your mind?
    Rage? Dude, I just got a brand new mercury outboard today. I'm happier than a pig wallowing is ****!

    Honestly, not being the smartest fella on two legs, I don't have a clue as to what would actually turn this thing around. Way above my paygrade. I just know we can't depend on the GOP for any assistance as their voting base, by all appearances, prefers things to be business as usual and let the little man eat ****. I can't look towards the democrats for any solutions as they are so crooked they have to screw their shoes on each morning. But they (the dems) do seem to be more on the side of the common laborer/citizen than the GOP so I view them to be the lesser of the 2 evils. How much less? I truly can't say. But not much.

    I probably wouldn't care as much if I hit the lottery or inherited a lot of old money. Money makes money. That's okay. But that should mean for everybody. While my money was being siphoned, the rich just got richer. Now I have less money to make money with. I worked very hard for that money too. Whatever made that possible, I want changed.

    I just wish we could turn back the clock to the time when a man could go to work for 30 years, feed his family, retire next to a good fishin' hole. But there are forces at work that are making that American dream harder and harder to achieve. And a lot of those folks can be seen wearing flag lapel pins manipulating the dumbed down masses with issues like homosexuals, birth control and anything else that will divert our attention away from their special interest cronies who have their hands in my pockets.

    I am not a radical. I am not a raging lunatic. I am not illogical. I just want what's mine to stay mine. And I will vote for a republican or a democrat that I think is looking out for my interests.
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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    protesters shouted and officers took out their batons after a demonstrator threw a glass bottle at the bus that police were using to detain protesters.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Rage? Dude, I just got a brand new mercury outboard today. I'm happier than a pig wallowing is ****!
    That's good for you and the economy.
    I just know we can't depend on the GOP for any assistance as their voting base, by all appearances, prefers things to be business as usual and let the little man eat ****. I can't look towards the democrats for any solutions as they are so crooked they have to screw their shoes on each morning.
    Why has it come to the point where assistance is needed from any political party? Didn't friends and neighbors help each other out at one time? And now, what makes the situation worse, is that big corporations are being bailed out by the feds and the feds claim that they are helping the "little man". And people believe it! Too many undeserving people not only want this "assistance" but are getting it. It's become a can't fail society, which means that eventually everyone will fail together.

    At one time corporations failed, as they should have, and people moved on to the more successful companies which took their place. Now, under crony capitalism, the feds will not only bail out these corporations they will give millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars, more assistance, to support untried companies, companies inextricably linked to political parties. And enough people buy into this craziness, to this lofty pie-in-the-sky rhetoric which precedes these billions being wasted, to keep them in power. And you wonder why you can never get ahead?

    We can see that now in the "green industry" with many millions of dollars being siphoned off to political friends, but a majority of people seem to support this or they wouldn't be voting them in. These thieves who want to "save the planet" cannot even balance a budget, or even care to, and yet people still fall for it.

    I probably wouldn't care as much if I hit the lottery or inherited a lot of old money. Money makes money. That's okay. But that should mean for everybody. While my money was being siphoned, the rich just got richer. Now I have less money to make money with. I worked very hard for that money too. Whatever made that possible, I want changed.
    Government just got too big. Politicians convinced people that they could manage their lives for them, and now they do. But it's a service you're paying for, financially as well as psychologically. And Americans who want to change the system, who want less government, will be called "right wing extremists" or that the don't care about "the people". They will turn on each other, as we can see unfolding in front of us. This has all happened before.

    It i said that people deserve the government they get. That may not always be true but in what was once a free democracy that would seem to be the case.

    I just wish we could turn back the clock to the time when a man could go to work for 30 years, feed his family, retire next to a good fishin' hole. But there are forces at work that are making that American dream harder and harder to achieve.
    It's big government, You work for them now and at the end of the day you'll have nothing to show for it. They're spending it twice as fast as they can take it in. Do you really believe they can help you?

    The difference is that people in the western democracies are working ever longer to pay their taxes. At one time working one month per year was sufficient, and a man could support a wife and family, now you need to work several months to give the government what they want. And they will always want more in order to promise more services, more 'rights', so they can get elected and the bureaucrats and the unions can have job security, a benefit unavailable to "the little man".

    The government is giving you services you often neither want or can afford but you're pretty much stuck with them and will pay for them anyway. If you can't pay them they'll just borrow the money from somewhere else and your children will pay them. They don't care.

    And a lot of those folks can be seen wearing flag lapel pins manipulating the dumbed down masses with issues like homosexuals, birth control and anything else that will divert our attention away from their special interest cronies who have their hands in my pockets.
    Or by a saying rude words on the airwaves . It's a circus.
    I am not a radical. I am not a raging lunatic. I am not illogical. I just want what's mine to stay mine. And I will vote for a republican or a democrat that I think is looking out for my interests.
    Then you might want a closer look at Paul Ryan's budget proposals. He'll take a lot of heat for sure but at least someone is trying to do something.

    You seem to be doing all right looking after your own interests and that of your family but that is despite the government, not because of it. The government is far too involved in special interests to be effective anymore. While you want the government to look after your interests ultimately we know that politicians, especially those who are further away in Washington, will only look after their own. You'll get a little of the pork thrown your way occasionally but thats about it.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They were breaking the law.


    That's what civil disobedience means. Did you ever read about the Boston Tea Party, or the Civil Rights Movement, or the Vietnam war protests?
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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's what civil disobedience means. Did you ever read about the Boston Tea Party, or the Civil Rights Movement, or the Vietnam war protests?
    The Civil Rights movement was intended to be non violent, much like the Tea party in fact, just as its leader, Martin Luther King Jr., repeatedly said. His message and objectives were clear.

    It s completely unfair to the history of the Civil Rights movement to associate them at all with the OWS crowd, whose message, however inarticulate, has already been repeatedly made.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    An attempt at responsibility in government.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Civil Rights movement was intended to be non violent, much like the Tea party in fact, just as its leader, Martin Luther King Jr., repeatedly said. His message and objectives were clear.
    Yep, just like the Occupy movement across the country, and it was inspiring to see the Civil Rights Veterans express solidarity with the Occupy Movement:


    Council of Elders - Occupy Wall Street - Statement of Solidarity

    "As veterans of the Civil Rights, Women’s, Peace, Environmental, LGBTQ, Immigrant Justice, labor rights and other movements of the last 60 years we are convinced that Occupy Wall Street is a continuation, a deepening and expansion of the determination of the diverse peoples of our nation to transform our country into a more democratic, just and compassionate society—a more perfect union. We believe that the rapidly expanding and racialized impoverishment of our population, the rise of mass incarceration, the celebration of the culture of war and violence all create the bitter divisions among the peoples of our nation and throughout the world. Indeed, we believe such developments among us ultimately diminish the quality of life for all humanity, beginning with our own children who watch as we lower the priority for their care and education.

    We applaud the miraculous extent to which the Occupy initiative has been non-violent and democratic, especially in light of the weight of violence under which the great majority of people are forced to live, including joblessness, foreclosures, unemployment, poverty, inadequate health care, etc. Among the Council of Elders, we place the highest value on the role of compassion and non-violent action in our personal and organizational lives. From that hard-won grounding in the humanizing movements of the 20th century we seek to support and join with Occupy Wall Street in contributing to the dreams and visions of many in this nation for a beloved community, a multi-generational, multi-racial, compassionate, democratic society with equality, liberty and justice for all—always searching for partners in the creation of a more peaceful, sustainable world, a world with living, loving and growing space for all of our children."

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, just like the Occupy movement across the country, and it was inspiring to see the Civil Rights Veterans express solidarity with the Occupy Movement:


    Council of Elders - Occupy Wall Street - Statement of Solidarity

    "As veterans of the Civil Rights, Women’s, Peace, Environmental, LGBTQ, Immigrant Justice, labor rights and other movements of the last 60 years we are convinced that Occupy Wall Street is a continuation, a deepening and expansion of the determination of the diverse peoples of our nation to transform our country into a more democratic, just and compassionate society—a more perfect union. We believe that the rapidly expanding and racialized impoverishment of our population, the rise of mass incarceration, the celebration of the culture of war and violence all create the bitter divisions among the peoples of our nation and throughout the world. Indeed, we believe such developments among us ultimately diminish the quality of life for all humanity, beginning with our own children who watch as we lower the priority for their care and education.

    We applaud the miraculous extent to which the Occupy initiative has been non-violent and democratic, especially in light of the weight of violence under which the great majority of people are forced to live, including joblessness, foreclosures, unemployment, poverty, inadequate health care, etc. Among the Council of Elders, we place the highest value on the role of compassion and non-violent action in our personal and organizational lives. From that hard-won grounding in the humanizing movements of the 20th century we seek to support and join with Occupy Wall Street in contributing to the dreams and visions of many in this nation for a beloved community, a multi-generational, multi-racial, compassionate, democratic society with equality, liberty and justice for all—always searching for partners in the creation of a more peaceful, sustainable world, a world with living, loving and growing space for all of our children."

    National Council of Elders
    Is there a "movement" this group hasn't been a part of?

    MLK was the leader of the Civil Rights Movement while these people have been, like they admit, part of every movement to come down the pike over the last 60 years . Here it is.

    We are veterans of the Civil Rights, Women’s, Peace, Environmental, LGBTQ, Immigrant Justice, labor rights and other movements of the last 60 years.
    They are a part of the Noam Chomsky crowd,

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's what civil disobedience means. Did you ever read about the Boston Tea Party, or the Civil Rights Movement, or the Vietnam war protests?
    Yeah I have and I remember the people in the civil tights movement as being very peaceful and the local population as the problem and as for the Vietnam Protestors led by Kerry snd Fonda I remember leaving the base after a 10 month deployment and the scumbag protestors spitting at us and calling us names. There favorite statement was something to the effect was and I paraphrase: How many babies did you kill today? Maybe you were there............
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