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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So the 73 that got arrested were engaging in public debate?
    They were breaking the law.
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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is that your take?
    No my take is that OWS is a Leftist movement that wants us to hate the bourgeoisie so that we will do their dirty work for them. And that those 73 arrested wanted to be arrested, so that they can claim police brutality to use in their propaganda to recruit more people. They are under the illusion that they can slowly turn America Leftist.

    the hydra-headed Tea party movement has many different ideas on what they want. Much like the occupy movement. In fact you could say publicly both movements are leaderless. Neither have an definitive leader. There are leaders but with such different opinions floating around it would be impossible for either movement to get behind one leader on each side. Both movements are ground work operations to spread their propaganda. Both strategics are looking to the future and what can be done after the education process as trained enough idiots to have a voting base.

    Many on the Right are using religion to gain power. Hence the insistence that only true Americans are Christians. ANd at the same time even though OWS is mostly Leftists (except those few Liberals that have no clue what they are supporting) the Right is lumping all Democrats in with the occupy movement even though it is obvious that the occupiers/Leftists hate Liberals. But reality does not matter as long as the message gets out that Liberals are all Leftists. Which in turn is just like the Liberals that portray all Republicans as Tea party supporters. Along with Making it appear that all Republicans are racists Etc i.e. Nazis.

    News flash the problem with the country today is the Republicans, Democrats, Leftist radicals and Rightist radicals.

    ANd here is what is sad, the Republicans have failed to muster anyone for the presidential race. Unfortunately come November Obama a president that is one of the worst in history will be reelected because the Republicans could only find radicals to run against him. Hell there are still idiots running around crying that Obama is not an American. Meanwhile Obamacare will run its course because the Republicans failed to do anything meaningful in 4 years. Meanwhile the Tea party are running around saying crazy **** like we are an Christian nation and denying the Separation of church and state. ANd when you call them on the obvious (as if no one knows their intent) they claim that they do not want an theocracy. Which in turn is just is just like the Occupiers running around saying that they only want to stop the bourgeoisie (1%) to stop using the so called Proletariat (99%) as slaves. While obviously since its all over the OWS sites and their signs that they aim for an take over.


    So no that is not my take

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So...what exactly are you 'fighting back' against? You pretty steamed at those multimillionaires in the democrat party...musicians...athletes...all those folks? Say you want a 'revolution'? Who has 'oppressed' you? Which rich man has stole your nickels and dimes? Which 'man' is keeping you down?
    Really, who fights anything these days? Someone gets pissed at something and instead of protesting, they write a blog. Take that! LOL!

    I like rich people. Hell, I'm working my ass off trying to get rich myself. My problem is the system that is in place is tilted towards the already rich and the snowball effect of the rich getting richer allows some who work no harder than others to take too much water from the well. I wish we could nip the system that allowed 34% of my retirement to get sucked away while the same system rewarded the baffoons who were behind it million dollar bonuses.

    But I know you guys think that's awesome. I just disagree. But I don't have time to protest and fight. I have to go to work.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No my take is that OWS is a Leftist movement that wants us to hate the bourgeoisie so that we will do their dirty work for them. And that those 73 arrested wanted to be arrested, so that they can claim police brutality to use in their propaganda to recruit more people. They are under the illusion that they can slowly turn America Leftist.
    They have already turned America strongly to the left over the last generation and it became inevitable when the left took over the universities and the media.. I agree with you that this protest is just a front.
    the hydra-headed Tea party movement has many different ideas on what they want. Much like the occupy movement. In fact you could say publicly both movements are leaderless. Neither have an definitive leader. There are leaders but with such different opinions floating around it would be impossible for either movement to get behind one leader on each side. Both movements are ground work operations to spread their propaganda. Both strategics are looking to the future and what can be done after the education process as trained enough idiots to have a voting base.
    The Tea Party ambitions are more straightforward. They believe in the values of traditional America while the OWS appear to have little idea what traditional America even is.

    Many on the Right are using religion to gain power. Hence the insistence that only true Americans are Christians.
    I think that's really overstating the case. There are many in the middle who just want responsible government.

    News flash the problem with the country today is the Republicans, Democrats, Leftist radicals and Rightist radicals.
    ANd here is what is sad, the Republicans have failed to muster anyone for the presidential race. Unfortunately come November Obama a president that is one of the worst in history will be reelected because the Republicans could only find radicals to run against him. Hell there are still idiots running around crying that Obama is not an American. Meanwhile Obamacare will run its course because the Republicans failed to do anything meaningful in 4 years. Meanwhile the Tea party are running around saying crazy **** like we are an Christian nation and denying the Separation of church and state. ANd when you call them on the obvious (as if no one knows their intent) they claim that they do not want an theocracy. Which in turn is just is just like the Occupiers running around saying that they only want to stop the bourgeoisie (1%) to stop using the so called Proletariat (99%) as slaves. While obviously since its all over the OWS sites and their signs that they aim for an take over. So no that is not my take
    The middle, as usual, will decide the presidency but with the erosion of state rights, the enmeshed bureaucracy, the debt and the impossible entitlement programs, I doubt it will now make much difference. There will be a clashes, they will start in earnest this summer, and they will continue for a number of years. I'm not sure the republic can be saved.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Really, who fights anything these days? Someone gets pissed at something and instead of protesting, they write a blog. Take that! LOL!

    I like rich people. Hell, I'm working my ass off trying to get rich myself. My problem is the system that is in place is tilted towards the already rich and the snowball effect of the rich getting richer allows some who work no harder than others to take too much water from the well. I wish we could nip the system that allowed 34% of my retirement to get sucked away while the same system rewarded the baffoons who were behind it million dollar bonuses.

    But I know you guys think that's awesome. I just disagree. But I don't have time to protest and fight. I have to go to work.
    The rich aren't doing anything wrong, it's the government,. It always has been.

    People don't trust politicians or the bureaucracy but they are still willing to bet their health and their futures on government and, the real pity is, they insist others do so as well.

    This is insane and eventually everyone will suffer. The rich will only watch from a respectable distance.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The rich aren't doing anything wrong, it's the government,. It always has been.

    People don't trust politicians or the bureaucracy but they are still willing to bet their health and their futures on government and, the real pity is, they insist others do so as well.

    This is insane and eventually everyone will suffer. The rich will only watch from a respectable distance.
    Yeah, the government is the one who has failed to properly regulate corporate greed. You're right.

    I don't blame them for sticking it up our collective asses when they can not only technically get away with it legally, but be rewarded and even praised for doing it by a significant portion of the voting public.

    I support ambition. I also think that the degree an individual desires to nurture their own greed should be up to the individual as long as they follow the rules. But I do not think that greed should be public policy. I think any roadblocks to unscrupulous greed are good roadblocks.

    There is only so much pie. And the rich just keep taking more and more. That's called 'wealth distrubition." But some folks only think that's cool when the rich do it. I never quite understood that line of thinking.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yeah, the government is the one who has failed to properly regulate corporate greed. You're right.
    Greed cannot be regulated. That cliche should be dropped.

    I don't blame them for sticking it up our collective asses when they can not only technically get away with it legally, but be rewarded and even praised for doing it by a significant portion of the voting public.
    I have no idea who is sticking it up any ass nor who is praising or being praised for this action.
    There is only so much pie.
    That's not so, and the rest of your post is illogical because of that basic error.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Greed cannot be regulated. That cliche should be dropped.



    I have no idea who is sticking it up any ass nor who is praising or being praised for this action.


    That's not so, and the rest of your post is illogical because of that basic error.
    I'm trying to work with you here Grant. I don't know how I could have made my opinions any more understandable.

    Further, after reading several of your posts, I see no intellectual highground you possess to be judging anyones logic.

    Just sayin.....

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They have already turned America strongly to the left over the last generation and it became inevitable when the left took over the universities and the media.. I agree with you that this protest is just a front.


    The Tea Party ambitions are more straightforward. They believe in the values of traditional America while the OWS appear to have little idea what traditional America even is.



    I think that's really overstating the case. There are many in the middle who just want responsible government.



    The middle, as usual, will decide the presidency but with the erosion of state rights, the enmeshed bureaucracy, the debt and the impossible entitlement programs, I doubt it will now make much difference. There will be a clashes, they will start in earnest this summer, and they will continue for a number of years. I'm not sure the republic can be saved.
    Yu are actually making my point for me. Many of the Occupiers view there movement the same that you just described the Tea Party movement. In fact I have been told the exact same thing before by occupiers. Including the dire prediction at the end.

    Unlike the Teaparty and the Ocuppiers I actually believe in the power of our Constitution to govern this country despite them and their movements. Not saying that it wont take work but I am not going to just throw my hands up in pessimism. Movements like the Tea party and the occupy movement only create conflict in an inorganic march to do doomsday. Which in the end is what both radical groups want. They believe that their version of America will grow up out of the ashes. But just like in every election they underestimate American patriotism and the fact that it defies party lines.

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    Re: 73 arrested at Occupy protest

    I'm trying to work with you here Grant. I don't know how I could have made my opinions any more understandable.

    Further, after reading several of your posts, I see no intellectual highground you possess to be judging anyones logic.

    Just sayin.....
    I understand you have strong opinions but feel you' appear to be just letting your rage out rather than getting into specifics about what people can actually do to change things, something that could unite people into a common cause.

    We can see people protesting from every direction but it all seems incoherent, just a strong and general dissatisfaction.

    What do you think can be done to turn things around? What are the top three issues in your mind?

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