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Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

Are you sure?

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this order does nothing to give a POTUS dictatorial powers in the event of an emergency, nor the power to "seize everything".

basically, this is just another chicken-little paranoia Conspiracy Theory thread.
 
It would come as absolutely no surprise, if the government's reaction to a nationwide catastrophe was to institute martial law and nationalize everything including the contents of your own personal pantry.
 
It would come as absolutely no surprise, if the government's reaction to a nationwide catastrophe was to institute martial law and nationalize everything including the contents of your own personal pantry.

why would the federal govt. nationalize everyone's personal property?

sounds kinda paranoid to me, Goshin.
 
It would come as absolutely no surprise, if the government's reaction to a nationwide catastrophe was to institute martial law and nationalize everything including the contents of your own personal pantry.

Except that is not included in this EO. The EO basically requires "Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs" to "identify, assess, be prepared, improve, foster cooperation" in the event of a national emergency. The reason for the EO is when the original was made, there was no Department of Homeland Security, so this includes them in preparing for a national emergency.
 
why would the federal govt. nationalize everyone's personal property?

sounds kinda paranoid to me, Goshin.


Sorry you feel that way.




What about laws against "hoarding" in an emergency? If that isn't nationalizing your personal pantry, what is?
 
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Except that is not included in this EO. The EO basically requires "Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs" to "identify, assess, be prepared, improve, foster cooperation" in the event of a national emergency. The reason for the EO is when the original was made, there was no Department of Homeland Security, so this includes them in preparing for a national emergency.

Yes but it gives them authority to do so much in the name of national defense

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Yes but it gives them authority to do so much in the name of national defense

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Where? The only thing this EO did was add the Department of Homeland Security to the team of agencies.
 
Sorry you feel that way.

What about laws against "hoarding" in an emergency? If that isn't nationalizing your personal pantry, what is?

preventing you from hoarding...is the same thing as nationalizing all the **** you already own, including your crayons and ginger-bread?

yep, your posts are a silly and a little paranoid, Goshin. sorry to say it.
 
What about laws against "hoarding" in an emergency? If that isn't nationalizing your personal pantry, what is?
I'm not sure where you saw that word. It's not in the linked *.pdf.
 
preventing you from hoarding...is the same thing as nationalizing all the **** you already own, including your crayons and ginger-bread?

yep, your posts are a silly and a little paranoid, Goshin. sorry to say it.



Nice try at misrepresentation and baiting, Thunder. Maybe I should go back to ignoring you.
 
Nice try at misrepresentation and baiting, Thunder. Maybe I should go back to ignoring you.

sorry Goshin, but Im being 100% serious.

preventing hoarding of gasoline, rice, milk, and other general necessessities, is NOT the same as nationalizing all of your personal possessions.

such an idea, is hyberbolic & a bit paranoid.
 
Sorry you feel that way.




What about laws against "hoarding" in an emergency? If that isn't nationalizing your personal pantry, what is?

Laws against "hoarding" are not nationalizing your pantry because that's not what the word nationalizing means.
 
Laws against "hoarding" are not nationalizing your pantry because that's not what the word nationalizing means.

I find no reference to hoarding or anything in the EO about persons stockpiling food or other items. No one has yet to show that there is anything whatsoever wrong with this EO.
 
Don't worry there are always safeguards to keep someone like Hussein Obama from doing that....You want to worry about somethin worry about unemployment and the economy instead......
 
Don't worry there are always safeguards to keep someone like Hussein Obama from doing that....You want to worry about somethin worry about unemployment and the economy instead......

since when do Republicans & Conservatives care about unemployment? Its good for the stock market and corporate profits.
 
this order does nothing to give a POTUS dictatorial powers in the event of an emergency, nor the power to "seize everything".

basically, this is just another chicken-little paranoia Conspiracy Theory thread.
why would the federal govt. nationalize everyone's personal property?

sounds kinda paranoid to me, Goshin.
The fact that something sounds horrific does not mean that it is not true, or should not be taken seriously. The path to tyranny is built with tiny steps, this one happens to be a big one. During each one of those steps, people like you mock the outraged with "conspiracy theorist" titles, while slowly your rights are eroded away along with them.

You seem to think that tyranny could not happen here, and I know that it's an extreme example, but I'm sure the Germans used to think the same way.
 
The fact that something sounds horrific does not mean that it is not true, or should not be taken seriously....

.....You seem to think that tyranny could not happen here, and I know that it's an extreme example, but I'm sure the Germans used to think the same way.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

and your strawman arguments do your side no justice.
 
Let's repeat that sentence with invasion or terrible accident in mind instead of some conspiratorial coup:
The fact that something sounds horrific does not mean that it is not true (possible), or should not be taken seriously.
In this case "not possible" instead of "not true".

Any government should have at least some bare-bones structure in place to respond to a tragic event of national proportions. Not having one would be foolish because we know that bad things do happen. Let's say for sake of argument that a nuke went off in an American city - or we had a Fukushima event here. Do you really want the authorities arguing with some local farmer about using his tractor to build a berm? Or some factory making Pet Rocks arguing with (and later suing) the Fed because they cleared the road to a warehouse but left their business isolated? Without rules like this in place that's exactly what could happen. Yes, viewed by itself and out of context it looks extreme but responding to emergencies sometimes take extraordinary actions and there isn't always time to "go by the book" that we use for everyday life.


In your leisure you can point out what has really changed from the same emergency response book that was written 40-50 years ago to respond to a nuclear war with Russia. My guess is you'll find few changes, if any, beyond which Department is responsible for what.


Ed:
The next time you hear those tornado warning sirens (1st Wed @ 11AM) stop and remember that originally meant "Oh ****! Some Crazy Commie just pushed The Button."

(Yeah, I know they were around before then but I don't remember a time prior to the Cold War and I doubt anyone else does, either.)
 
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Oh my god, they have a plan! I think this executive order talk (not on this board, but elsewhere) is indeed noteworthy because it is the third example of a continuing trend, which is people being misinformed by social media "journalists." First the NDAA, then HR 347, now this executive order. Not just a few, but a lot of people, believe that these three things are "dots" that are to be "connected" -- meaning that the President is going to declare millions of Americans to be terrorists and indefinitely detain them, and if anything goes awry with this devious plan, martial law will be declared and our democracy will end. Have these people stopped to ask... WHY?!

Obama is projected by most media sources to likely win in 2012! He doesn't have overwhelming disapproval and it makes absolutely no sense why our government would be gearing up to herd us all into FEMA camps because we had the nerve to tweet something negative about the executive branch.

I never thought I'd see the day where I hoped people would watch cable news to be informed, but I think perhaps it has arrived.
 
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