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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Let's repeat that sentence with invasion or terrible accident in mind instead of some conspiratorial coup:
    The fact that something sounds horrific does not mean that it is not true (possible), or should not be taken seriously.
    In this case "not possible" instead of "not true".

    Any government should have at least some bare-bones structure in place to respond to a tragic event of national proportions. Not having one would be foolish because we know that bad things do happen. Let's say for sake of argument that a nuke went off in an American city - or we had a Fukushima event here. Do you really want the authorities arguing with some local farmer about using his tractor to build a berm? Or some factory making Pet Rocks arguing with (and later suing) the Fed because they cleared the road to a warehouse but left their business isolated? Without rules like this in place that's exactly what could happen. Yes, viewed by itself and out of context it looks extreme but responding to emergencies sometimes take extraordinary actions and there isn't always time to "go by the book" that we use for everyday life.


    In your leisure you can point out what has really changed from the same emergency response book that was written 40-50 years ago to respond to a nuclear war with Russia. My guess is you'll find few changes, if any, beyond which Department is responsible for what.


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    (Yeah, I know they were around before then but I don't remember a time prior to the Cold War and I doubt anyone else does, either.)
    My problem is with the language of this exec order. It says all these things can be done for the national defense and doesn't have to be done in a state of emergency due to how poorly worded it is.

    I did preface the OP with "if I read it correctly"

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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    My problem is with the language of this exec order. It says all these things can be done for the national defense and doesn't have to be done in a state of emergency due to how poorly worded it is.
    I should have left that part out. My guess is FEMA has articles written along those lines.

    But I did include invasion, as I'm sure a nuke going off in an American city would be viewed. Like I said, these were originally written with a worst case scenario of nuclear war with the USSR. As far as I know that's still the worst case scenario, nuclear war.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I should have left that part out. My guess is FEMA has articles written along those lines.

    But I did include invasion, as I'm sure a nuke going off in an American city would be viewed. Like I said, these were originally written with a worst case scenario of nuclear war with the USSR. As far as I know that's still the worst case scenario, nuclear war.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I find no reference to hoarding or anything in the EO about persons stockpiling food or other items. No one has yet to show that there is anything whatsoever wrong with this EO.
    All you need to is review the steps Louisiana took during the hurricane and flood. No, the flowery language in the EO from both 1994 and now do not literally say what the critics in this thread claim, hence the flowery language. Basically the government is saying it will take steps, whatever necessary, to protect the common good, not individuals rights, freedoms or property. In one respect that's the right thing to do in a catastrophe to save the country or a majority of people. Some will not be saved, some will have their rights trampled on, their lives taken by accident or on purpose. It's the nature of a catastrophe. If **** happens, it's fend for yourself, depend on yourself, and do what you have to do to survive.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    A ton of people have been arguing over the detention provisions in the 2012 NDAA and the language in HR 347, but in these debates the entire point seems to be lost. The point being that our concern should be our ongoing problems with the war on terror. And by problems, I mean the indefinite detention of terrorism suspects, mostly in Guantanamo Bay, and the ongoing conflict in the middle east that's threatening to continue or even possibly expand.

    When we start throwing around conspiracy theories about the government trying to throw American protesters into FEMA camps, we get further away from the legitimate discussions we should be having.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    My problem is with the language of this exec order. It says all these things can be done for the national defense and doesn't have to be done in a state of emergency due to how poorly worded it is.

    I did preface the OP with "if I read it correctly"

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    My problem with your post is that it is incredibly vague and does not adress any of the things pointed out here. It's like you won't let go of the lie you where fed. Read the EO, find where it allows the government to do much of anything other than plan for emergencies. Compare it to the EO it replaces. Then you will be in a position to discuss the EO.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    All you need to is review the steps Louisiana took during the hurricane and flood. No, the flowery language in the EO from both 1994 and now do not literally say what the critics in this thread claim, hence the flowery language. Basically the government is saying it will take steps, whatever necessary, to protect the common good, not individuals rights, freedoms or property. In one respect that's the right thing to do in a catastrophe to save the country or a majority of people. Some will not be saved, some will have their rights trampled on, their lives taken by accident or on purpose. It's the nature of a catastrophe. If **** happens, it's fend for yourself, depend on yourself, and do what you have to do to survive.
    So it is in there, but you can't find it in there, but you know it is in there. Well done.
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So it is in there, but you can't find it in there, but you know it is in there. Well done.
    It's there, you choose not to see it because it doesn't explicitly say "we will institute martial law and nationalize everything including the contents of your pantry" it is NOT there, and therefore doesn't exist in any form or even inferred. Which means more Redress playing "the literal" game in this thread.

    You and I both know politics is just as much about what IS said as it is about what ISN'T said. The coy "literal game" isn't fooling anyone so I'm not sure why you think it's a valid tactic going forward....
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    Re: Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's there, you choose not to see it because it doesn't explicitly say "we will institute martial law and nationalize everything including the contents of your pantry" it is NOT there, and therefore doesn't exist in any form or even inferred. Which means more Redress playing "the literal" game in this thread.

    You and I both know politics is just as much about what IS said as it is about what ISN'T said. The coy "literal game" isn't fooling anyone so I'm not sure why you think it's a valid tactic going forward....
    It does not say anything even remotely close to it. Nothing in the EO does this. If you can show evidence it does, please feel free.
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