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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

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    That might be what would draw you there, but it would not necessarily draw a new business there. Businesses seek business friendly environments. Taxes, regulations, unions drive businesses out, not draw them in.
    I don't think businesses care one way or another about public employees' unions.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

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    Please address MaggieD's last post....The point she made has been made to you and justabubba (who gave you a like for the dishonest post) before, and you seem like in this thread to simply ignore the fact, and continue the narrative anyway...That is dishonest.


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    No disrespect to Maggie, but the point is not valid. The unions agreed to Walker's proposed concessions conditioned on him dropping his attack on collective bargaining rights. As with any conditional offer, the rejection of the condition constitutes a rejection of the offer.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

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    No disrespect to Maggie, but the point is not valid. The unions agreed to Walker's proposed concessions conditioned on him dropping his attack on collective bargaining rights. As with any conditional offer, the rejection of the condition constitutes a rejection of the offer.

    No, they didn't, you are simply wrong. They offered a dog and pony show in a desperate attempt to PR the issue in the heat of it.

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No disrespect to Maggie, but the point is not valid. The unions agreed to Walker's proposed concessions conditioned on him dropping his attack on collective bargaining rights. As with any conditional offer, the rejection of the condition constitutes a rejection of the offer.
    No, you're wrong, Adam. Dog/Pony show at press conferences. Nothing at bargaining tables. MATC and Madison County rushed to sign their contracts, without the provisions you say they so generously offered, as soon as the legislation was introduced.
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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    This is silly of course but as far as I know the Koch brothers are paying taxes on there earnings, the same cant be said for GE can it? Who pays no taxes. But since they are big supporters of Democrats, that is ok then huh?
    Critical difference. To the best of my knowledge, GE doesn't run the state of Wisconsin like the right wing Koch's do.

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    To the Obama supporters who want Walker recalled:

    I was just wondering then, using the same logic you are using to recall Walker. Would you support a recall
    of president Obama for cutting the militaries medical benefits (including combat pay) while not touching the Union civilian
    goverment employees who support them? Lets see here we get guys & gals that are losing limbs, pushed mentally to the limits with endless deployment and dying, who's families (children) have to struggle for months on end with out there support, these people deserve to have there benefits cut, but Union employees Federal or State are sacred cows & should not be touched?


    So Wisconsin teachers & such who are affected by this, are you going to stand up & support your fellow government employees (the military, who keeps your freedoms safe with there lifes sometimes) by marching on the white house & threatening to "Recall"
    Mr. Obama in the next election?

    I think we know the answer to that & I thin it exposes you people for who you really are, but hey prove me wrong if you will.
    Do you have a link for this supposed cut by Obama, or is this another one of those right wing sewer radio stories, made up bilge that is swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible?

    I'm curious as to how Obama, on his own, managed to cut benefits for medical services and this story managed to sneak through without anybody else discovering it other than you and presumably your source. I spent 4 years in the military and I can't remember any President having that kind of unilateral power. The Obamas have done more to bring attention to America's wounded warriors than anybody else.

    Try to bring something other than right wing drivel to the table.

    Oh, and for the record, Federal officers are not subject to Recall. They are subject to elections, and to impeachment. Not Recall.
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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, you're wrong, Adam. Dog/Pony show at press conferences. Nothing at bargaining tables. MATC and Madison County rushed to sign their contracts, without the provisions you say they so generously offered, as soon as the legislation was introduced.
    And that (though not entirely accurate) in no way contradicts what I wrote above.

    Gosh darn those unions! How DARE they not concede to every single demand the governor made even though he absolutely refused to budge on collective bargaining! Why couldn't they just be reasonable and drop their drawers and roll over?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And that (though not entirely accurate) in no way contradicts what I wrote above.

    Gosh darn those unions! How DARE they not concede to every single demand the governor made even though he absolutely refused to budge on collective bargaining! Why couldn't they just be reasonable and drop their drawers and roll over?

    No, no....Sorry Adam, you can't have it both ways....You said quite clearly...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT
    The unions agreed to Walker's proposed concessions conditioned on him dropping his attack on collective bargaining rights.
    And now you say this? Are you saying now that you agree that it was a PR move, and no such agreement had been struck?

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, no....Sorry Adam, you can't have it both ways....You said quite clearly...



    And now you say this? Are you saying now that you agree that it was a PR move, and no such agreement had been struck?

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    What is it about "conditioned on" that you don't understand?

    This is about as basic as it gets. If I offer to pay you $2000 to paint my house and landscapre my yard, and you say you'll take the $2k to paint the house but you're not going to landscape the yard, then we never had an agreement.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Cont

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What is it about "conditioned on" that you don't understand?

    This is about as basic as it gets. If I offer to pay you $2000 to paint my house and landscapre my yard, and you say you'll take the $2k to paint the house but you're not going to landscape the yard, then we never had an agreement.

    Yes, but see, these union so called leader never had the juice to bargain on that point....They made a statement for consumption by the compliant media, and now later when you think everyones memory is fuzzy, you try and rewrite history....Shame on you Adam....You got busted....lol...


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