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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so, the feds were upheld in this case, and you are arguing otherwise?
    South Dakota v Dole set the precedent that there is a tipping point at which Federal Funding becomes coercive, and thus, not allowed to be held against the states in lieu of performing something in which the Federal government would like them to do, but doesn't have the power to force.

    In the Supreme Court case referenced above, it was 5% of their Federally allocated transportation costs. In this case, is 83% of Texas' Medicaid funding.

    Later this month, the health insurance bill goes before the Supreme Court. It has a all or nothing federal monies tied to a state's setup of insurance exchanges. If the Supreme Court states that "no, that isn't coercive either", then fine, we've just given the Federal government unlimited power over the states. However, if it does state that its coersive, then we will at the very least understand what is coersive and what isn't, in respects to the Federal government and funding to the many states.

    Its another case where states' rights are being challenged by the Federal government. I find it quite interesting.

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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    South Dakota v Dole set the precedent that there is a tipping point at which Federal Funding becomes coercive, and thus, not allowed to be held against the states in lieu of performing something in which the Federal government would like them to do, but doesn't have the power to force.

    In the Supreme Court case referenced above, it was 5% of their Federally allocated transportation costs. In this case, is 83% of Texas' Medicaid funding.

    Later this month, the health insurance bill goes before the Supreme Court. It has a all or nothing federal monies tied to a state's setup of insurance exchanges. If the Supreme Court states that "no, that isn't coercive either", then fine, we've just given the Federal government unlimited power over the states. However, if it does state that its coersive, then we will at the very least understand what is coersive and what isn't, in respects to the Federal government and funding to the many states.

    Its another case where states' rights are being challenged by the Federal government. I find it quite interesting.
    The Federal government is not the entity being coercive here. Citizens should get to choose who does their cancer screenings. IMHO, it is the State of Texas that is using government coersion to deny choice to it's citizens. This is not a states' rights issue. Rather, it is an issue of coersion by a state against it's citizens. This is just another instance of BIG GOVERNMENT Republicans forcing it's will upon the people. This isn't a Conservative move by Texas at all, since Conservatism demands that government stay out of peoples' lives.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    "Conservatism demands" people pay for their own healthcare services, though. You're already outside of that realm, talking about coerced charity care, just arguing about which unit of government should be providing coerced charity care.


    Preferably, neither, but if one must do it, as small a unit as possible, with tighter limits on power the higher you go up because the level of authority in terms of implementing those powers increases...

    So yeah, 10th Amendment issue and specific enumerated powers of government issue.

    ALL of these cases like this - this coercive use of overtaxing at the federal level for purposes of redistribution to the states, IF the states do what the federal government wants - relate back to the 10th Amendment and the notion of limited federal authority.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    "Conservatism demands" people pay for their own healthcare services, though.
    That's not what they're doing here. In this case, this is a question of using government dollars to score political points by artificially limiting choices.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's not what they're doing here. In this case, this is a question of using government dollars to score political points by artificially limiting choices.
    Actually, it seems to be a reasonable limit on what coerced charity care can pay for given the desires of the people of the state.


    While sure, in a broader sense, I don't want government involved in healthcare at all... if it's going to do so anyway I REALLY don't want my tax dollars going to abortion providers, in this or any other state. That's just insult to injury.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Actually, it seems to be a reasonable limit on what coerced charity care can pay for given the desires of the people of the state. I don't want my tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood, in this or any other state.
    No, it's not a reasonable limit -- you're being told that you can't go *here* for an approved medical procedure, but you can go *there* for it, when the difference is political and not a question of quality of care.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    I disagree. I think it's reasonable to limit taxpayer funding for purveyors of human rights abuses, not just say that the money cannot directly be used for human rights abuses and call it a day.

    Regardless of what my representative in Washington does, I want my representative in Austin to do so.


    All the feds are doing is drying up an opportunity for ethical alternatives to Planned Parenthood to grow in size and scope. Of course, the current regime promotes the pro-abortion agenda, so they don't want that.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I disagree. I think it's reasonable to limit taxpayer funding for purveyors of human rights abuses, not just say that the money cannot directly be used for human rights abuses and call it a day.
    If your argument is that abortion constitutes an abuse of human rights, it's meaningless in this context because abortion is legal and we're talking about a matter of law.
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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Federal government is not the entity being coercive here. Citizens should get to choose who does their cancer screenings. IMHO, it is the State of Texas that is using government coersion to deny choice to it's citizens. This is not a states' rights issue. Rather, it is an issue of coersion by a state against it's citizens. This is just another instance of BIG GOVERNMENT Republicans forcing it's will upon the people. This isn't a Conservative move by Texas at all, since Conservatism demands that government stay out of peoples' lives.
    By accepting Medicaid, you accept that the government tells you where and when you can go for health care offerings. Yes it sucks, and that's all the more reason to not have programs like that.

    Clearly the Federals have reacted to the State's choice in spending their granted funds by cutting them. If the Federal government is allowed to selectively reduce funding to an individual State as a "punishment" for a non-enforceable position, then the Federal government can force the states to dance a jig(metaphorically speaking) through coercion.

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    Re: Texas Medicaid Funds Cut Over Planned Parenthood

    I find myself wondering how many people who think it's okay to force drug tests on welfare recipients don't like that Feds are cutting funds to Medicaid in Texas.
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