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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I see the charge as a response to the outrage they knew everyone would have over this crime. I understand the outrage but just don't think a capital murder charge is going to stick. Voluntary manslaughter or negligent homocide maybe.
    Yea, just like typical Americans, they're getting their emotions involved.

    It seems that anything involving a child makes people become illogical in their thinking. As a child, as a punishment, I was forced to push mow my parents yard. In July. I got hot as hell doing it, even dizzy, but I sure as hell didn't backsas my mom again. If I'd have died, would she have deserved the death penalty? Absolutely not. Their must be premeditation, and there obviously is not, so that's out. If they don't drop the charges to something that will stick, she could walk.

    Do I think she should walk? No. I think that an accidental death occurred through negligence on the part of the grandma. 5-10 years, tops with parole. A child died. The grandma did NOT kill her directly, did not PLAN on killing her, etc. Sorry, no death penalty. Not even close, honestly.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Yea, just like typical Americans, they're getting their emotions involved.

    It seems that anything involving a child makes people become illogical in their thinking.

    Their must be premeditation, and there obviously is not, so that's out. If they don't drop the charges to something that will stick, she could walk.

    Do I think she should walk? No. I think that an accidental death occurred through negligence on the part of the grandma. 5-10 years, tops with parole. A child died. The grandma did NOT kill her directly, did not PLAN on killing her, etc. Sorry, no death penalty. Not even close, honestly.
    No the standard is in post number 18.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The standard is reckless indifference to human life. They should put the grandmother on a gigantic hamster wheel in her prison cell nand let her run her butt off that way.

    Reckless/extreme indifference to human life would qualify as well. The following statute is silent when it comes to the age of the victim.

    The Alabama Murder statute:

    " 13A-6-2. Murder.

    (a) A person commits the crime of murder if he or she does any of the following:

    (2) Under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he or she recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to a person other than himself or herself, and thereby causes the death of another person."
    That's Alabama murder law. Capital murder is slightly different. The word intentional is used.

    This a terrible set of circumstances, the grandmother obviously let her emotions overrule her common sense. Punished, yes, Capital murder, not so,.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Rereading the Alabama law, there is a provision for capital murder for any murder of a person under 14 years of age. That has got to be what the prosecution is hanging his hat on. Good thing I am not on the jury. No way. I do not believe that any life is more important than any other.

    (15) << Murder>> when the victim is less than fourteen years of age.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    That's Alabama murder law. Capital murder is slightly different. The word intentional is used.

    This a terrible set of circumstances, the grandmother obviously let her emotions overrule her common sense. Punished, yes, Capital murder, not so,.
    I agree in fact we were discussing that in another thread......Murder would be the charge I would pursue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The grandmother and the step mother were charged subsequent to the state pathologist ruling the death a homicide. Subsequently, they were charged with murder. Now Etowah County District Attorney Jimmie Harp said his office is considering whether to charge the two with capital murder rather than murder. To obtain a capital murder conviction, Harp said he would have to prove the two intentionally killed Savannah. The standard for capital murder and murder are different as well as the punishment. I would think there are lesser charges, but, I have not seen the criminal complaint.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Death penalty!? Holy f'n ****! I ain't saying that she shouldn't face repercussions; but seriously....the death penalty? I don't think they intended to kill her, but through their own negligence and ignorance ended up doing so. We have laws for that, and those don't come with death penalty results. This ain't first degree murder. ****, the grandmother is a grandmother at 46....46. Dumb white trash doing what dumb white trash does best.
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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Alabama Capital Punishment Laws - FindLaw
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    Definition of Capital Homicide

    Homicide during the commission of kidnapping; robbery; rape/sodomy; burglary; sexual abuse; arson; hijacking; murder of police officer or public official while on duty or when related to or caused by or is related to his official position, act, or capacity; murder for pecuniary or other valuable consideration; two or more persons murdered in same act/course of conduct; victim less than 14 years old; murder under life sentence; murder during arson or by means of explosives; murder by defendant who has previously been convicted of murder within 20 years; murder of witness in civil or criminal trial when murder is caused by or related to the testimony; murder during act of unlawfully assuming control of any aircraft; murder when deadly weapon is fired outside of a dwelling when victim is in dwelling; murder by deadly weapon used from or within a vehicle.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Alabama Capital Punishment Laws - FindLaw
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    Definition of Capital Homicide

    Homicide during the commission of kidnapping; robbery; rape/sodomy; burglary; sexual abuse; arson; hijacking; murder of police officer or public official while on duty or when related to or caused by or is related to his official position, act, or capacity; murder for pecuniary or other valuable consideration; two or more persons murdered in same act/course of conduct; victim less than 14 years old; murder under life sentence; murder during arson or by means of explosives; murder by defendant who has previously been convicted of murder within 20 years; murder of witness in civil or criminal trial when murder is caused by or related to the testimony; murder during act of unlawfully assuming control of any aircraft; murder when deadly weapon is fired outside of a dwelling when victim is in dwelling; murder by deadly weapon used from or within a vehicle.
    Well that really doesn't do much for my opinion that Alabama is a backwards ass State.
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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Death penalty!? Holy f'n ****! I ain't saying that she shouldn't face repercussions; but seriously....the death penalty? I don't think they intended to kill her, but through their own negligence and ignorance ended up doing so. We have laws for that, and those don't come with death penalty results. This ain't first degree murder. ****, the grandmother is a grandmother at 46....46. Dumb white trash doing what dumb white trash does best.
    I was a grandmother at 38. I was a virgin when I was married. My daughter ignored me and married young, too. Does that make us dumb white trash?

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    Re: Grandmother faces capital charge in death of Alabama third-grader

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Rereading the Alabama law, there is a provision for capital murder for any murder of a person under 14 years of age. That has got to be what the prosecution is hanging his hat on. Good thing I am not on the jury. No way. I do not believe that any life is more important than any other.

    (15) << Murder>> when the victim is less than fourteen years of age.
    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Alabama Capital Punishment Laws - FindLaw
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    Definition of Capital Homicide

    Homicide during the commission of kidnapping; robbery; rape/sodomy; burglary; sexual abuse; arson; hijacking; murder of police officer or public official while on duty or when related to or caused by or is related to his official position, act, or capacity; murder for pecuniary or other valuable consideration; two or more persons murdered in same act/course of conduct; victim less than 14 years old; murder under life sentence; murder during arson or by means of explosives; murder by defendant who has previously been convicted of murder within 20 years; murder of witness in civil or criminal trial when murder is caused by or related to the testimony; murder during act of unlawfully assuming control of any aircraft; murder when deadly weapon is fired outside of a dwelling when victim is in dwelling; murder by deadly weapon used from or within a vehicle.

    I want to get a copy of the actual indictment.

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