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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Oh, well, gee whiz. You mean he didn't tell you everything he was going to do? Oh my. Are you kidding me?
    If that were grounds for recall, I would assume democrats will be going after Obama and pretty much every other politican in the country next.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    If that were grounds for recall, I would assume democrats will be going after Obama and pretty much every other politican in the country next.
    The state allows the recall of Walker. Yes, I do wish there were also recall proceedings for presidents and congress outside the normal election cycle. That would definitely keep politicians more honest in what they say they will do, versus what they do.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    The state allows the recall of Walker. Yes, I do wish there were also recall proceedings for presidents and congress outside the normal election cycle. That would definitely keep politicians more honest in what they say they will do, versus what they do.
    The campaign indicatd they would be stripping collective bargaining rights and they did. This recall really isn't about doing something he didn't say, it's simply about a group acting out because they don't like the consequences of an election loss.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    The campaign indicatd they would be stripping collective bargaining rights and they did. This recall really isn't about doing something he didn't say, it's simply about a group acting out because they don't like the consequences of an election loss.
    Actually it's really about him doing something that's very unpopular, that was a major part of his plans, that was one of the very first things he did when elected, but that he neglected to mention -- and in fact that he said he WOULDN'T do -- during the campaign. It's clear that his action was politically motivated, since he only targetted the unions that opposed him, so he shouldn't have been surprised about the political blowback.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's clear that his action was politically motivated, since he only targetted the unions that opposed him, so he shouldn't have been surprised about the political blowback.
    I assume you bought into the "he didn't take away CB rights for police and firefighters because they supported him"? That's already been exposed as an untruth. But continue on.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    I assume you bought into the "he didn't take away CB rights for police and firefighters because they supported him"? That's already been exposed as an untruth. But continue on.
    You got a link?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually it's really about him doing something that's very unpopular, that was a major part of his plans, that was one of the very first things he did when elected, but that he neglected to mention -- and in fact that he said he WOULDN'T do -- during the campaign. It's clear that his action was politically motivated, since he only targetted the unions that opposed him, so he shouldn't have been surprised about the political blowback.
    Thats not entirely true. The way Unions are framing the debate is proving unpopular but in general the reforms are doing some good for the state's budget woes and voters seem to slowly be coming around despite the negative campigning being done by unions.

    It's Working in Walker's Wisconsin by Christian Schneider, City Journal Winter 2012 Note, Im not 100% on this source but here is a read for you.
    And a few more :
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...792232880.html
    Wisconsin is benefiting from Walker reforms - BizTimes

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You got a link?
    The police and FF unions that endorsed Walker were insignifcant - and as I recall only raised about $1,000.00 for his election. The major police and FF unions in teh state endorsed his opponent.

    PolitiFact | Donna Brazile says that unions that supported Scott Walker are exempt from restrictions on collective bargaining

    We then contacted the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, the statewide union that endorsed Walker's opponent last year. Executive director Jim Palmer said the statewide organization is much larger than the local Milwaukee police union that endorsed Walker. The state group has approximately 11,000 members versus Milwaukee’s roughly 1,400, he said.

    Similarly, the state firefighters association has more than 3,000, compared with the Milwaukee union’s 875.

    The state police union is opposed to the changes Walker is proposing for other public sector workers, which include county jailers and police dispatchers, Palmer said. The statewide firefighters' union also opposes the proposal.

    Palmer said he believes that Walker exempted police and firefighters not for political payback, but because they are the public workers who are most popular with the public. "And in that way, it’s very political," he said.
    I agree with Palmer as to why they were exempted - BTW.

    Brazile said, "The firefighters, the policemen and others who supported (Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker) in his election bid ... don't have to worry about their collective bargaining rights." It’s true that Walker won the endorsement of Milwaukee police and firefighter organizations, and they won’t lose collective bargaining rights if Walker’s proposal succeeds. But not all unions supported Walker. In fact, the two significant statewide organizations endorsed his opponent, and they too would be exempt from restrictions on collective bargaining. Because the statement leaves out the fact that the police and fire unions broke ranks on whether or not to support Walker, we rate this statement Half True.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats not entirely true. The way Unions are framing the debate is proving unpopular but in general the reforms are doing some good for the state's budget woes and voters seem to slowly be coming around despite the negative campigning being done by unions.

    It's Working in Walker's Wisconsin by Christian Schneider, City Journal Winter 2012 Note, Im not 100% on this source but here is a read for you.
    And a few more :
    Review & Outlook: Big Labor's Wisconsin Vendetta - WSJ.com
    Wisconsin is benefiting from Walker reforms - BizTimes
    Yeah, Walker's doing a bang-up job:

    Madison – According to an economic news release by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Wisconsin ranked dead last out of 50 states in terms of job creation for 2011. Governor Scott Walker appears to have done just the opposite of his campaign promise to create a job friendly climate in the Badger State. Instead of reaching goals to achieve 250,000 new jobs promise, he has sent the state into a job growth contraction.

    Wisconsin Worst in the Nation for Job Creation 2011 | Wisconsin Politics
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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