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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Unions attempt to thwart efforts to reduce pay/benefits/working conditions of their members. News at 11.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Actually, they were being given their pension and benefits free of any charge or contribution. They will have, essentially, the same benefits, but will now have to contribute a bit.

    I really don't care to get into the argument of wether they were overpaid. I'll say they were and i'll have a bunch of studies to show. You'll say they weren't and will have a bunch of union backed and affiliated studies to show.
    What part of compensation are you not getting?

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

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    You've gotta laugh, right? Republicans crying, "think of the CHILDREN!!" while Republican governors and legislators across the country and slashing school spending to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy and for corporations.
    While Democrats pump up their election coffers with union money, instead of worrying about that the kids are learning their worried about the survival of teachers unions.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    While Democrats pump up their election coffers with union money, instead of worrying about that the kids are learning their worried about the survival of teachers unions.
    You'd be hard pressed to show those cutting education and proposing things like NCLB care very much about children. Too many republicans and their political nntertainer brothern have demonized teachers and such enough to make this more heated than it should be. If you really want something productive, stop calling everyone the enemy.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What part of compensation are you not getting?
    While it's part of compensation, they were making no monetary contributions. It was mostly publicly funded, hence free to the employee.

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    I am pulling for Walker just for the principle. He was elected by the people to do a job. He is doing what he said he would do. If you don't like what he does then vote against him when he comes up for re-election.

    Stuff like this makes the left so childish.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    While it's part of compensation, they were making no monetary contributions. It was mostly publicly funded, hence free to the employee.
    Jeebus, is it sun spots or something? If it's part of their compensation it is not free.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I am pulling for Walker just for the principle. He was elected by the people to do a job. He is doing what he said he would do. If you don't like what he does then vote against him when he comes up for re-election.

    Stuff like this makes the left so childish.
    The only problem is that he never said he was going to yank the unions' bargaining rights. He somehow forgot to mention that major policy initiative throughout the whole campaign.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I am pulling for Walker just for the principle. He was elected by the people to do a job. He is doing what he said he would do. If you don't like what he does then vote against him when he comes up for re-election.

    Stuff like this makes the left so childish.
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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The only problem is that he never said he was going to yank the unions' bargaining rights. He somehow forgot to mention that major policy initiative throughout the whole campaign.

    Walker's campaign adviser (prior to the election):

    That's in part because of the close relationship between WEAC and a separate major insurer for school employees, WEA Trust, that the union created, said Ryan Murray, campaign policy adviser for Walker. He said school districts often have some of the most expensive health benefits in Wisconsin and could receive cheaper insurance through the state if they didn't have to negotiate with unions about who would insure their members.

    "The way the proposal would work is we would take the choice out of the collective bargaining process," Murray said.
    The union's response (prior to the election):
    The state's powerful teachers union opposes Walker's plan and is signaling a fight over it if Walker is elected and moves the idea forward.

    "Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.
    Barrett, Walker plans would add workers to health pool - JSOnline

    The paper talking about proposals by the two candidates that will require legislation affecting collective bargaining (prior to the election):

    Walker wants to make it easier for school districts and local governments to buy insurance through a state-run health benefits program. Barrett would require local governments to insure their workers through a similar program, and he is interested in having schools eventually do the same.

    How much money the proposals would save is a question. But both would require legislation.

    That's because current state law makes it difficult if not impossible to make any changes in health benefits without the approval of the unions that represent government workers.

    Under state law, health benefits that are part of an employee's total compensation are subject to collective bargaining
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    Public workers' generous benefits come at a price - JSOnline

    Did he campaign on exactly what he was going to do? no, like every politician I have ever known. But it was known that big collective bargaining changes were coming, they made mention of it ot the papers in interviews, the unions knew and campaigned against it.
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