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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    You've got to give credit to Walker: I've never seen bigger balls on a squirrel. He cut over a billion dollars from schools and local governments to pay for over a billion dollars in tax cuts that primarily benefit the rich and corporations, and he's going to cry foul over the teachers' union's action?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    the Republican governor in my state is "sabotaging" schools by cutting funding by over $300 million dollars.

    plenty of dough still available for professional sports team owners, however.

    them durned teacher / firefighter yoonyuns, i tells ya.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You've got to give credit to Walker: I've never seen bigger balls on a squirrel. He cut over a billion dollars from schools and local governments to pay for over a billion dollars in tax cuts that primarily benefit the rich and corporations, and he's going to cry foul over the teachers' union's action?
    Tax payers in WI had enough of the high property tax and other taxes. I don't blame them, living in Illinois, I get it. I see what my taxes are and where that tax money gets funneled to. Allowing a business to keep more of their profits and allowing me to keep more of my salary - im a fan of both.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the Republican governor in my state is "sabotaging" schools by cutting funding by over $300 million dollars.
    When K-12 spending makes up half a state's budget and the state is in deficit, I don't see how cuts to education wouldn't have to be part of the balancing effort.

    Unless you really expect them to raise taxes by almost 2 bil. Shrug. Looks like we'll just have ot disagree on that.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Milwuakee teachers unions - putting the recall efforts above what's beneficial to the students and the school:

    Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms
    You come after the union, they come after you. He tried to break them, now they're trying to break him. See where I'm going?

    The teachers' union is looking out for teachers. That's their job. They made the funding concessions that were needed, but Walker tried to take it a step further. If they make concessions now, yes it hurts their political position. I guess bringing electoral politics into things like elections outrages you for some reason.


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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You come after the union, they come after you. He tried to break them, now they're trying to break him. See where I'm going?

    The teachers' union is looking out for teachers. That's their job. They made the funding concessions that were needed, but Walker tried to take it a step further. If they make concessions now, yes it hurts their political position. I guess bringing electoral politics into things like elections outrages you for some reason.
    I get that when people are given free things for a while, they will get mad when someone tries to take those free things away. That's human nature. But no, it really doens't surprise me that the unions and teachers are putting themselves before the schools and the students. i suspect that this letter will hurt their political position with the WI voters. Guess we'll see.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I get that when people are given free things for a while, they will get mad when someone tries to take those free things away. That's human nature. But no, it really doens't surprise me that the unions and teachers are putting themselves before the schools and the students. i suspect that this letter will hurt their political position with the WI voters. Guess we'll see.


    you don't seem to understand that nothing was FREE, the teachers work for their pay and their benefits.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you don't seem to understand that nothing was FREE, the teachers work for their pay and their benefits.
    Actually, they were being given their pension and benefits free of any charge or contribution. They will have, essentially, the same benefits, but will now have to contribute a bit.

    I really don't care to get into the argument of wether they were overpaid. I'll say they were and i'll have a bunch of studies to show. You'll say they weren't and will have a bunch of union backed and affiliated studies to show.

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Actually, they were being given their pension and benefits free of any charge or contribution.
    NO, they were not given their pensions and benefits for free. They were part of their total compensation package. Just like if you get health insurance from your employer, it isn't free. Your employer is reducing your take home pay in order to pay for his or her portion of your insurance.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Walker says unions trying to sabotage government reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Actually, they were being given their pension and benefits free of any charge or contribution. They will have, essentially, the same benefits, but will now have to contribute a bit.

    I really don't care to get into the argument of wether they were overpaid. I'll say they were and i'll have a bunch of studies to show. You'll say they weren't and will have a bunch of union backed and affiliated studies to show.
    nope. wrong. benefits and pensions are negotiated as part of a salary PACKAGE, period. they work for those benefits, so stop with the "free" bs.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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