Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

[Prof. Peabody]

March 12, 2012 6:30 PM

Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

By Lucy Madison



(CBS News) A new CBS News/New York Times poll shows that most Americans believe there should be an exception for employers who may have a moral or religious objection to covering birth control for their employees.

According to the poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 adults nationwide from March 7-11, 51 percent of Americans believe employers of any kind should be allowed to opt out of covering birth control for religious or moral reasons. Forty percent say all employers should have to cover contraceptive care.

As part of the new health care law, the Obama administration is mandating that all employers cover contraception as part of their health insurance coverage, though religious institutions are exempted. Religiously-affiliated institutions such as schools and hospitals are also exempt, though under a compromise worked out by the administration following an uproar from religious leaders, employees of religiously-affiliated institutions will have access to contraception paid for directly by health insurance companies.

Full poll results

When asked specifically about religiously-affiliated employers, 57 percent of Americans said they should be able to opt out of the mandate if they have religious or moral objections. Thirty-six percent said such organizations should have to cover birth control.

Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

The issue that is a non issue with the people. To quote the Clinton campaign from the 1990's...."It's the economy stupids".

Folks are concerned with how they will feed their kids, Folks are concerned with Over 8% unemployment for the longest sustained time in the history of this country since the great depression, folks are concerned with 19% underemployment, folks are concerned with 4+ trillion dollars in new debt in less than 3 years, folks are concerned with home foreclosures continuing unabated by any Obama plan, folks are concerned with gasoline heading toward $5 a gallon driving up prices of all consumer goods and food prices hitting the stratosphere and folks are concerned with GDP growth below 2% which means we're losing ground. What they aren't concerned with is whether employers should be allowed not to cover contraception. We just want to pay our bills and feed our kids. Yet the Democrats are yeowing about contraception? How outta touch is that?

 

[FreedomOf]

Who in America does not believe in birth control? The Catholic church now allows birth control usage to my understanding, therefore there are no employers in America that can stand on religious grounds for not offering birth control coverage. They are just trying to save a few dollars without realizing the cost of health coverage during pregnancy and birth with the additional child to be covered is more expensive in the long run.

 

[Prof. Peabody]

Who in America does not believe in birth control? The Catholic church now allows birth control usage to my understanding, therefore there are no employers in America that can stand on religious grounds for not offering birth control coverage. They are just trying to save a few dollars without realizing the cost of health coverage during pregnancy and birth with the additional child to be covered is more expensive in the long run.

I really don't care either way, the point of the thread is it really doesn't matter. Obama and the Democrats are just spinning their wheels and making a lot of noise for nothing while the economy burns in the background. It will consume them in November.

 

[FreedomOf]

lol... they cannot fix the economy, so they make up issues and make them seem important. How in the world is the economy even close to being something anyone can fix? We are going into a second great depression and nothing will be able to stop it.

 

[Prof. Peabody]

lol... they cannot fix the economy, so they make up issues and make them seem important. How in the world is the economy even close to being something anyone can fix? We are going into a second great depression and nothing will be able to stop it.

They could stop runaway spending and quit printing money to pay our debts for one.

 

[FreedomOf]

Well I would personally love that too, but they are trying to stay afloat in their happy lifestyles which will cost us dearly. The only way to get out of this now is to stop printing money and go into a short depression, which will be hard on us but the only true way out at this point. They don't want this because we might not vote for them again, therefore they are trying to stay afloat hoping something big will happen that will get them out of this mess. Enter Middle East. I believe this our clue as to why we are after world domination currently.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Who in America does not believe in birth control?

It's not about anyone believing or not believing in birth control; it's about the idea that anyone should have the right to be provided with it at someone else's expense--especially if that someone else who is to be forced to bear that expense is someone who has a moral objection to it.

 

[apdst]

Who in America does not believe in birth control? The Catholic church now allows birth control usage to my understanding, therefore there are no employers in America that can stand on religious grounds for not offering birth control coverage. They are just trying to save a few dollars without realizing the cost of health coverage during pregnancy and birth with the additional child to be covered is more expensive in the long run.

I think employers, who pay for brith control, shouldn't have to pay for pregnancy and birth if the person being provided the brith control gets pregnant.

There...problem solved.

 

[SypherAL]

I really don't care either way, the point of the thread is it really doesn't matter. Obama and the Democrats are just spinning their wheels and making a lot of noise for nothing while the economy burns in the background. It will consume them in November.

I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.

 

[haymarket]

I think employers, who pay for brith control, shouldn't have to pay for pregnancy and birth if the person being provided the brith control gets pregnant.

There...problem solved.

and that is because birth control never fails?

 

[apdst]

and that is because birth control never fails?

Not my problem. The employee should have to choose between birth control, or pregnancy coverage. Can't have both.

 

[apdst]

I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.

Anyone who thinks this economy is, "is on the rise" and moreso, on the rise because of current government policy is definitely clouded with political ideology.

 

[Paralogic]

It's not about anyone believing or not believing in birth control; it's about the idea that anyone should have the right to be provided with it at someone else's expense--especially if that someone else who is to be forced to bear that expense is someone who has a moral objection to it.

Of course it is. The conservative argument on this issue is as hypocritical and lame as every other argument they have about everything.

If it's up to an employer to have "moral arguments" against covering health related coverage, then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year, which would substantially increase the chance that medical intervention will be needed to deal with the food consumption abuse.

But no conservative will ever dare to publicly state that kind of a moral objection, of course.

Not to mention that none of them will ever call for withholding contraception related coverage from men.

That's why all their arguments are hypocritical, false, lame and worthless -- for the past 60 years, and counting.

 

[haymarket]

Not my problem. The employee should have to choose between birth control, or pregnancy coverage. Can't have both.

And why is that?

 

[apdst]

And why is that?

Because the argument, up til now, has been that birth control will save money in the long run. Why should we have to pay for birth control AND pregnancy?

This is the real world, bro, you can't have you cake and eat it too.

 

[apdst]

Of course it is. The conservative argument on this issue is as hypocritical and lame as every other argument they have about everything.

If it's up to an employer to have "moral arguments" against covering health related coverage, then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year, which would substantially increase the chance that medical intervention will be needed to deal with the food consumption abuse.

But no conservative will ever dare to publicly state that kind of a moral objection, of course.

Not to mention that none of them will ever call for withholding contraception related coverage from men.

That's why all their arguments are hypocritical, false, lame and worthless -- for the past 60 years, and counting.

Libbo, "arguments", tend to take money out of other people's pockets. Why is that?

 

[Dickieboy]

...then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year...

With regard to 'a bucket of fried fast food' I fail to see the MORAL connection. Can you please clarify? thx

 

[SypherAL]

Anyone who thinks this economy is, "is on the rise" and moreso, on the rise because of current government policy is definitely clouded with political ideology.

You must be one of those people with unrealistic expectations....A trillion dollar deficit takes years to recover from, going back to republican policies that caused it is not a shortcut to the recovery.

 

[taxigirl]

A. The CBS/NYT Poll this thread cites is flawed-- no that's not even the right word-- it is BUNK. Anybody actually read it?

"This poll was conducted by telephone from March 7-11, 2012 among 1009 adults nationwide.878 interviews were conducted with registered voters, including 301 with voters who said they plan tovote in a Republican primary. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line andcell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minusthree percentage points. The margin of error for the sample of registered voters could be plus or minusthree points and six points for the sample of Republican primary voters. The error for subgroups may behigher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls."

Later in the file you can see the actual numbers and the breakdown between R D I. The poll was of only registered voters, only 878 interviews, and the poll does not account for affiliations beyond R D I.

B. The dems are not the ones introducing legislation to prevent women from obtaining birth control in a variety of forms in a variety of states on a variety of levels. So who is making a big deal out of contraception?

States have enacted laws that prohibit some or all insurance policies from covering abortion care
Pharmacists can refuse to sell LEGAL drugs i.e. emergency contraception
Forced sonograms/ ultrasounds
The Heartbeat Bill
Personhood amendments
State sanctioned lying to patients by doctors regarding the state of the fetus
Defunding Planned Parenthood
Etc... Etc... Etc....

C. I have no newfangled arguments against the church, the right of the employer, abortion is OK, abortion is murder, this form of BC is OK, this form of BC is not, abstinence vs. sluttiness, viagra, Ms. Fluke's agenda, the grand purpose of sex, on and on and on. I will revert to what I believe and what I know to be true. My body, my choice. Everybody else, republicans, democrats, the church, my employer, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Gloria Steinham, Jane Fonda and anyone else I CHOOSE to deny entrance, can stay the **** OUT OF MY VAGINA and MY UTERUS!

Now, y'all had to go and make me use a bad word.

 

[Prof. Peabody]

I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.

As long as the Republicans get 13 seats in the Senate and 19 more in the House, it won't matter if Obama is re-elected. He'll be the Christmas tree of Pennsylvania Ave., there for ornamental purposes only. Anything the chump tries to veto can and will be overridden. Remind me of what ever makes you feel better about another huge loss of Democrat seats in Congress. 2012 will be 2010 part deux.

Over 8% unemployment for the longest sustained time in the history of this country since the great depression. 19% underemployment (stimulus jobs), $4+ trillion dollars in new debt in less than 3 years, home foreclosures continuing unabated by any Obama plan, gasoline heading toward $5 a gallon driving up prices of all consumer goods, food prices hitting the stratosphere and GDP growth below 2% which means we're losing ground. Democrats won't gain seats after that stellar record? They lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate in 2010 and gasoline was only $2.80 a gallon, 2012 is shaping up for a repeat of 2010. Good luck, your going to need it badly!

 

[FreedomOf]

I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.

Dear, you do not know me very well. Just because I think our country is going to h-ll in a hand-basket does not mean my vision is clouded with political ideology. 60 years of mistakes snowballing faster and faster through the years adding multitudes of mistakes with each presidency, this is beyond something any political party can fix. And I am not so brainwashed as to think any candidate can fix it. Although I do believe they can make it worse.

 

[haymarket]

Because the argument, up til now, has been that birth control will save money in the long run. Why should we have to pay for birth control AND pregnancy?

This is the real world, bro, you can't have you cake and eat it too.

NO. The argument is that a person with health insurance may use it to look after their own health.

Let me explain something about the female body apdst. A woman can use birth control and still get pregnant through no fault of her own. A woman can try to get pregnant but fail to do so. A woman may not be pregnant for part of the year, then decide to get pregnant for the other part of the year and become so.

Some of that is based on free choice.
Some of that is based on chance regardles of choice.
Some of that is just what happens in the real world apart from ideology and belief systems.

It is called reality. And healthy insurance must accommodate reality or it does precious little good for the customer it is intended to take care of and service.

Women may be mysterious creatures in many ways, but this biological stuff is pretty straight forward.

 

[haymarket]

Libbo, "arguments", tend to take money out of other people's pockets.

Gee, for a minute there I thought you were describing corporations.

 

[ChuckBerry]

The Catholic church now allows birth control usage to my understanding

your understanding is incorrect. the Catholic Church stands by its opposition to anything that closes the sexual act to fruitfulness, including birth control.




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[FreedomOf]

your understanding is incorrect. the Catholic Church stands by its opposition to anything that closes the sexual act to fruitfulness, including birth control.


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it is not right for you to place your address (?) on the internet. Anyway, if the Catholic church is back to disallowing birth control for Catholics then it is reasonably new, because for years it was being allowed. The question then is, does the catholic church allow freedom of religion for others? If they agree in freedom of religion then they cannot disallow providing health care coverage that provides birth control to non-catholics,

This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...t-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html