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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    and that means what to me? nothing lol

    not to mention how do you come to that conclusion? all i know is that he wants all women to have access to cheap/free BC whether that is provided by the employer OR the insurance company. DO you know something factually different? "Seems" he couldnt care less either he just wants it available no matter where it comes from

    BUT I could be wrong, can show me other wise where he factually disagrees with the fragment qoute of mine you posted?
    Obama is trying to require all health insurance policies to cover BC. Am I wrong?
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's not about anyone believing or not believing in birth control; it's about the idea that anyone should have the right to be provided with it at someone else's expense--especially if that someone else who is to be forced to bear that expense is someone who has a moral objection to it.
    So what if someone has a "moral objection" to providing cancer treatments? Or any basic health care at all? Or how about health care to blacks? Can people opt out of that too?
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Employers shouldn't be health care providers at all; we need universal coverage.
    They're not health care providers, they're paying a portion of an employees insurance, covered through a medical care provider. They're also not vehicle insurance providers, they simply buy insurance through an appropriate carrier. Or didn't you know that?
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So what if someone has a "moral objection" to providing cancer treatments? Or any basic health care at all? Or how about health care to blacks? Can people opt out of that too?
    Forcing someone to choose between their morals, and providing health insurance to their employees, isn't necessarily wrong, but there should be a reason.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Obama is trying to require all health insurance policies to cover BC. Am I wrong?
    no and yes you are
    its not that cut a dry. what he wants is women to have access to cheap/free BC whether that is provided by the employer OR the insurance company.

    So I again ask you for proof of what you claimed? Your claim may be true but I have seen nothing to suggest so.

    You told me obama disagrees with the partial quote of mine you posted, Im asked you why that matters and how you know that?

    Let me know when you have an answer.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Forcing someone to choose between their morals, and providing health insurance to their employees, isn't necessarily wrong, but there should be a reason.
    You don't get to go forcing your personal moral convictions on other people, period. I'm sure the guy who doesn't want to pay for health care for non-whites or women or pygmies has a "reason", we just don't take that reason seriously, any more than we should take the religious reason seriously. Don't like birth control? Don't take it. What the people who work for you do is none of your damn business. You can no more tell them not to take birth control off the clock than you can tell them not to use Twitter. No insurance plan specifically funds birth control or abortion services as a separate optional coverage. Here's your bill. Pay it. You don't get to pick and choose what the money goes to, any more than you can opt out of cancer treatment or burn injuries.

    This whole thing is idiotic.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Forcing someone to choose between their morals, and providing health insurance to their employees, isn't necessarily wrong, but there should be a reason.
    this again?
    they arent forced at all, there is no force in reality, they don't have to run a public business if they dont want to. BUT if they do they have to play by the same rules has EVERYONE, no special treatment, the reason would be discrimination and rights infringements.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You don't get to go forcing your personal moral convictions on other people, period. I'm sure the guy who doesn't want to pay for health care for non-whites or women or pygmies has a "reason", we just don't take that reason seriously, any more than we should take the religious reason seriously. Don't like birth control? Don't take it. What the people who work for you do is none of your damn business. You can no more tell them not to take birth control off the clock than you can tell them not to use Twitter. No insurance plan specifically funds birth control or abortion services as a separate optional coverage. Here's your bill. Pay it. You don't get to pick and choose what the money goes to, any more than you can opt out of cancer treatment or burn injuries.

    This whole thing is idiotic.

    I can assure you this type of reality based common sense will be ignored
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What the people who work for you do is none of your damn business. You can no more tell them not to take birth control off the clock than you can tell them not to use Twitter.
    That isn't what this is about. Your comments might be relevant in a different thread.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    They X-Rayed my wrist, I doubt a malignant tumor in my gut would have shown on that one. Do you want me to have a malignant tumor in my gut?
    Don't take it personally, dude. I'm making a point.

    You're a tough guy, right? Crack your wrist up, get it wrapped, and suffer through the healing process with no pain killers and no whining. You can do that without health insurance and you're a-okay. Cool.

    But what if its something more serious? Something that requires ongoing care for an extended time. Then there are high costs, maybe bankruptcy. That wouldn't be so easy.

    And you are very cavalier about the health of others, believing the hearsay from your nurse friend. But some people care about the health of their family, and have issues checked out when they arise. Preventative health care is very important, you know.

    I don't know why you don't have health coverage, but the wrist thing should worry you a little. You need to get health care unless its it's just not possible.
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