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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.
    Dear, you do not know me very well. Just because I think our country is going to h-ll in a hand-basket does not mean my vision is clouded with political ideology. 60 years of mistakes snowballing faster and faster through the years adding multitudes of mistakes with each presidency, this is beyond something any political party can fix. And I am not so brainwashed as to think any candidate can fix it. Although I do believe they can make it worse.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the argument, up til now, has been that birth control will save money in the long run. Why should we have to pay for birth control AND pregnancy?

    This is the real world, bro, you can't have you cake and eat it too.
    NO. The argument is that a person with health insurance may use it to look after their own health.

    Let me explain something about the female body apdst. A woman can use birth control and still get pregnant through no fault of her own. A woman can try to get pregnant but fail to do so. A woman may not be pregnant for part of the year, then decide to get pregnant for the other part of the year and become so.

    Some of that is based on free choice.
    Some of that is based on chance regardles of choice.
    Some of that is just what happens in the real world apart from ideology and belief systems.

    It is called reality. And healthy insurance must accommodate reality or it does precious little good for the customer it is intended to take care of and service.

    Women may be mysterious creatures in many ways, but this biological stuff is pretty straight forward.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Libbo, "arguments", tend to take money out of other people's pockets.
    Gee, for a minute there I thought you were describing corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomOf View Post
    The Catholic church now allows birth control usage to my understanding
    your understanding is incorrect. the Catholic Church stands by its opposition to anything that closes the sexual act to fruitfulness, including birth control.




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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    your understanding is incorrect. the Catholic Church stands by its opposition to anything that closes the sexual act to fruitfulness, including birth control.


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    it is not right for you to place your address (?) on the internet. Anyway, if the Catholic church is back to disallowing birth control for Catholics then it is reasonably new, because for years it was being allowed. The question then is, does the catholic church allow freedom of religion for others? If they agree in freedom of religion then they cannot disallow providing health care coverage that provides birth control to non-catholics,

    This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...umanae_en.html
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Employers shouldn't be health care providers at all; we need universal coverage.

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Employers shouldn't be health care providers at all; we need universal coverage.

    They aren't health care providers, they pay a portion (not all in majority cases) of health care coverage as a benefit, an enticement for prospective employee's to want to work for them. It is not mandatory for them to provide this benefit. What is mandatory is workmans compensation benefits.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomOf View Post
    They aren't health care providers, they pay a portion (not all in majority cases) of health care coverage as a benefit, an enticement for prospective employee's to want to work for them. It is not mandatory for them to provide this benefit. What is mandatory is workmans compensation benefits.
    if we had universal coverage now and someone argued that we should drop it in favor of employer-specific health insurance that would be lost at every job change, that person would be laughed out of the room.

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

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    if we had universal coverage now and someone argued that we should drop it in favor of employer-specific health insurance that would be lost at every job change, that person would be laughed out of the room.

    Biggest question of the day, can this country afford universal health care? Where exactly is the money going to come from? Are we planning on printing another trillion to pay for it?

    I do not disagree with universal health care, what I do not think is that we can as a country actually afford it! The countries which are able to provide it are in much better financial situation than we.

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomOf View Post
    Biggest question of the day, can this country afford universal health care? Where exactly is the money going to come from? Are we planning on printing another trillion to pay for it?

    I do not disagree with universal health care, what I do not think is that we can as a country actually afford it! The countries which are able to provide it are in much better financial situation than we.
    Are there any big piles of money out there not currently being put to productive use?
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