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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and that is because birth control never fails?
    Not my problem. The employee should have to choose between birth control, or pregnancy coverage. Can't have both.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.
    Anyone who thinks this economy is, "is on the rise" and moreso, on the rise because of current government policy is definitely clouded with political ideology.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's not about anyone believing or not believing in birth control; it's about the idea that anyone should have the right to be provided with it at someone else's expense--especially if that someone else who is to be forced to bear that expense is someone who has a moral objection to it.
    Of course it is. The conservative argument on this issue is as hypocritical and lame as every other argument they have about everything.

    If it's up to an employer to have "moral arguments" against covering health related coverage, then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year, which would substantially increase the chance that medical intervention will be needed to deal with the food consumption abuse.

    But no conservative will ever dare to publicly state that kind of a moral objection, of course.

    Not to mention that none of them will ever call for withholding contraception related coverage from men.

    That's why all their arguments are hypocritical, false, lame and worthless -- for the past 60 years, and counting.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not my problem. The employee should have to choose between birth control, or pregnancy coverage. Can't have both.
    And why is that?
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And why is that?
    Because the argument, up til now, has been that birth control will save money in the long run. Why should we have to pay for birth control AND pregnancy?

    This is the real world, bro, you can't have you cake and eat it too.
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Paralogic View Post
    Of course it is. The conservative argument on this issue is as hypocritical and lame as every other argument they have about everything.

    If it's up to an employer to have "moral arguments" against covering health related coverage, then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year, which would substantially increase the chance that medical intervention will be needed to deal with the food consumption abuse.

    But no conservative will ever dare to publicly state that kind of a moral objection, of course.

    Not to mention that none of them will ever call for withholding contraception related coverage from men.

    That's why all their arguments are hypocritical, false, lame and worthless -- for the past 60 years, and counting.
    Libbo, "arguments", tend to take money out of other people's pockets. Why is that?
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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Paralogic View Post
    ...then an employer can morally object to whoever swallows a bucket of fried fast food more than once per year...
    With regard to 'a bucket of fried fast food' I fail to see the MORAL connection. Can you please clarify? thx

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone who thinks this economy is, "is on the rise" and moreso, on the rise because of current government policy is definitely clouded with political ideology.
    You must be one of those people with unrealistic expectations....A trillion dollar deficit takes years to recover from, going back to republican policies that caused it is not a shortcut to the recovery.

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    A. The CBS/NYT Poll this thread cites is flawed-- no that's not even the right word-- it is BUNK. Anybody actually read it?
    "This poll was conducted by telephone from March 7-11, 2012 among 1009 adults nationwide.878 interviews were conducted with registered voters, including 301 with voters who said they plan tovote in a Republican primary. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line andcell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minusthree percentage points. The margin of error for the sample of registered voters could be plus or minusthree points and six points for the sample of Republican primary voters. The error for subgroups may behigher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls."
    Later in the file you can see the actual numbers and the breakdown between R D I. The poll was of only registered voters, only 878 interviews, and the poll does not account for affiliations beyond R D I.

    B. The dems are not the ones introducing legislation to prevent women from obtaining birth control in a variety of forms in a variety of states on a variety of levels. So who is making a big deal out of contraception?

    States have enacted laws that prohibit some or all insurance policies from covering abortion care
    Pharmacists can refuse to sell LEGAL drugs i.e. emergency contraception
    Forced sonograms/ ultrasounds
    The Heartbeat Bill
    Personhood amendments
    State sanctioned lying to patients by doctors regarding the state of the fetus
    Defunding Planned Parenthood
    Etc... Etc... Etc....

    C. I have no newfangled arguments against the church, the right of the employer, abortion is OK, abortion is murder, this form of BC is OK, this form of BC is not, abstinence vs. sluttiness, viagra, Ms. Fluke's agenda, the grand purpose of sex, on and on and on. I will revert to what I believe and what I know to be true. My body, my choice. Everybody else, republicans, democrats, the church, my employer, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Gloria Steinham, Jane Fonda and anyone else I CHOOSE to deny entrance, can stay the **** OUT OF MY VAGINA and MY UTERUS!

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    Re: Poll: Most say employers should be allowed not to cover contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I see an economy on the rise...your vision must be clouded with political ideology, i'll be sure to remind you of the winner in november....if your still around.
    As long as the Republicans get 13 seats in the Senate and 19 more in the House, it won't matter if Obama is re-elected. He'll be the Christmas tree of Pennsylvania Ave., there for ornamental purposes only. Anything the chump tries to veto can and will be overridden. Remind me of what ever makes you feel better about another huge loss of Democrat seats in Congress. 2012 will be 2010 part deux.

    Over 8% unemployment for the longest sustained time in the history of this country since the great depression. 19% underemployment (stimulus jobs), $4+ trillion dollars in new debt in less than 3 years, home foreclosures continuing unabated by any Obama plan, gasoline heading toward $5 a gallon driving up prices of all consumer goods, food prices hitting the stratosphere and GDP growth below 2% which means we're losing ground. Democrats won't gain seats after that stellar record? They lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate in 2010 and gasoline was only $2.80 a gallon, 2012 is shaping up for a repeat of 2010. Good luck, your going to need it badly!
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