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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont understand it either. This should be implemented as a federal law. Getting an ID is not that hard.
    Normally not, but we are talking about people likely to vote for Obama. Maybe there should issue a food stamp picture ID card rendering this a non-issue for democrats.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Normally not, but we are talking about people likely to vote for Obama. Maybe there should issue a food stamp picture ID card rendering this a non-issue for democrats.
    I dont think who they are going to vote for really matters. Either party can send a group of people in to vote claiming to be someone else. This is not a matter of left vs right, its a matter of keeping the election process as honest as possible.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Normally not, but we are talking about people likely to vote for Obama. Maybe there should issue a food stamp picture ID card rendering this a non-issue for democrats.
    Yeah, like in Wisconsin where the court found that the photo ID law prevented these scumbags from voting:

    [F]orty uncontested affidavits offer a picture of carousel visits to government offices, delay, dysfunctional computer systems, misinformation and significant investment of time to avoid being turned away at the ballot box. This is burdensome, all the more for the elderly and the disabled. . . . Mr. Ricky Tyrone Lewis is 58 years old, a Marine Corps Veteran and a lifelong Milwaukee resident. He was able to offer proof of his honorable discharge but Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth so he cannot obtain a voter ID card. Ms. Ruthelle Frank, now 84, is a lifelong resident of Brokaw, Wisconsin and a member of her town board since 1996. She has voted in every election over the past 64 years but she does not have a voter ID card. She located her birth certificate but found that her name was misspelled. She was advised to obtain a certified copy of the incorrect birth certificate and try to use that to obtain a voter ID card. . . .
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont think who they are going to vote for really matters. Either party can send a group of people in to vote claiming to be someone else. This is not a matter of left vs right, its a matter of keeping the election process as honest as possible.
    Then why are the Democrats peeing their pants on this? My suggestion would doubtlessly give them more bladder control on this issue.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, like in Wisconsin where the court found that the photo ID law prevented these scumbags from voting:

    [F]orty uncontested affidavits offer a picture of carousel visits to government offices, delay, dysfunctional computer systems, misinformation and significant investment of time to avoid being turned away at the ballot box. This is burdensome, all the more for the elderly and the disabled. . . . Mr. Ricky Tyrone Lewis is 58 years old, a Marine Corps Veteran and a lifelong Milwaukee resident. He was able to offer proof of his honorable discharge but Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth so he cannot obtain a voter ID card. Ms. Ruthelle Frank, now 84, is a lifelong resident of Brokaw, Wisconsin and a member of her town board since 1996. She has voted in every election over the past 64 years but she does not have a voter ID card. She located her birth certificate but found that her name was misspelled. She was advised to obtain a certified copy of the incorrect birth certificate and try to use that to obtain a voter ID card. . . .
    First off Mr. Lewis can get his birth certificate from the state he was born in. Its not like you lose it and it's gone forever. Secondly, Ms. Frank was on the town board then she has some type of government issued ID. Sorry these don't hold up. Anyone, ANYONE can get a government issued ID. It is not a complicated process. You go to a DMV with 2 pieces of information that can be used to ID you. One of them can be as simple as a piece of mail and a SS card. SS gives you a card for free. At 64 years old there is no reason, no excuse what so ever for you to have not gotten any type of ID by that point in your life.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Then why are the Democrats peeing their pants on this? My suggestion would doubtlessly give them more bladder control on this issue.
    Honestly Democrats will get upset at something because Republicans like it. (it works both was FYI). Doesnt matter what the issue is, dems see that reps are in favor they immediately move to have a problem with it.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    First off Mr. Lewis can get his birth certificate from the state he was born in. Its not like you lose it and it's gone forever. Secondly, Ms. Frank was on the town board then she has some type of government issued ID. Sorry these don't hold up. Anyone, ANYONE can get a government issued ID. It is not a complicated process. You go to a DMV with 2 pieces of information that can be used to ID you. One of them can be as simple as a piece of mail and a SS card. SS gives you a card for free. At 64 years old there is no reason, no excuse what so ever for you to have not gotten any type of ID by that point in your life.
    That was a quote from a Wisconsin court decision, so apparently they held up pretty well.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, like in Wisconsin where the court found that the photo ID law prevented these scumbags from voting:

    [F]orty uncontested affidavits offer a picture of carousel visits to government offices, delay, dysfunctional computer systems, misinformation and significant investment of time to avoid being turned away at the ballot box. This is burdensome, all the more for the elderly and the disabled. . . . Mr. Ricky Tyrone Lewis is 58 years old, a Marine Corps Veteran and a lifelong Milwaukee resident. He was able to offer proof of his honorable discharge but Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth so he cannot obtain a voter ID card. Ms. Ruthelle Frank, now 84, is a lifelong resident of Brokaw, Wisconsin and a member of her town board since 1996. She has voted in every election over the past 64 years but she does not have a voter ID card. She located her birth certificate but found that her name was misspelled. She was advised to obtain a certified copy of the incorrect birth certificate and try to use that to obtain a voter ID card. . . .

    example #1 was denied because his name isn't Ricky Tyrone Lewis, its actually Tyrone DeBarry. This information is pulled from the NAACP's court filing.

    example #2 never had an actual birth certificate, but the state's record of her birth is accurate, except for her mother's maiden name which is misspelled. For the big fee of 20 bucks, they will generate her a birth certificate from their other records. Pulled from Voter ID becomes law of unintended consequences | Wausau Daily Herald | wausaudailyherald.com

    Example #1 is clearly a clusterfark from day 1 that would take time to clearup regardless of the voterID law. Example #2 is an example where the state needs to clean up their record keeping into the 21st century, and they should waive the $20 fee since she wasn't issued a cert back in 1929.

    But in the end, I do like the journalist's attempt at playing on emotions.
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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That was a quote from a Wisconsin court decision, so apparently they held up pretty well.
    For the record and future discussions that we are sure to have, are you stating that if any court reaches a decision you will agree that it is the correct one? If not, then that is just someones opinion, just like anyone elses and I fail to understand your point.

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    Re: Justice Dept opposes Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    example #1 was denied because his name isn't Ricky Tyrone Lewis, its actually Tyrone DeBarry. This information is pulled from the NAACP's court filing.

    example #2 never had an actual birth certificate, but the state's record of her birth is accurate, except for her mother's maiden name which is misspelled. For the big fee of 20 bucks, they will generate her a birth certificate from their other records. Pulled from Voter ID becomes law of unintended consequences | Wausau Daily Herald | wausaudailyherald.com

    Example #1 is clearly a clusterfark from day 1 that would take time to clearup regardless of the voterID law. Example #2 is an example where the state needs to clean up their record keeping into the 21st century, and they should waive the $20 fee since she wasn't issued a cert back in 1929.

    But in the end, I do like the journalist's attempt at playing on emotions.
    What journalist? To repeat, that was a quote from the judge's decision.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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