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    Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    This one merits an apology from Obama.

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – A U.S. service member walked out of his base in southern Afghanistan before dawn Sunday and started shooting Afghan civilians, Afghan and NATO officials said. There were widely varying reports of casualties.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    This sounds like a dreadful incident. My concern about the story stems from this passage from the BBC report:

    The soldier - who had reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks - handed himself over to the US military authorities after carrying out the killings. BBC Online
    A breakdown during a time of war amongst serving personnel is not uncommon. The problem is that to suffer a breakdown, a loss of critical faculties and going on a rampage while one's mind is malfunctioning does not seem to mesh with having the foresight and sang-froid to ensure one hands oneself into one's own side. That strikes me as pre-meditated and extremely rational behaviour.

    Are we dealing here with criminal actions or criminally insane actions?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Unbelievable. I don't even know what to think or say about this. I'm sad and I'm pissed and I'm wondering what kind of retaliation, if any, is going to come from this. Of course this merits an apology, but I think it merits more although I'm not sure what.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    "Eleven members of my family are dead. They are all dead," Haji Samad, an elder from Panjwai district, told the AFP news agency.
    They want the soldier to be handed over and tried under Afghan laws.

    US soldier kills Afghans in shooting spree - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    This sounds like a dreadful incident. My concern about the story stems from this passage from the BBC report:



    A breakdown during a time of war amongst serving personnel is not uncommon. The problem is that to suffer a breakdown, a loss of critical faculties and going on a rampage while one's mind is malfunctioning does not seem to mesh with having the foresight and sang-froid to ensure one hands oneself into one's own side. That strikes me as pre-meditated and extremely rational behaviour.

    Are we dealing here with criminal actions or criminally insane actions?
    Too early to tell and I don't think anything can be concluded from the vague "reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks". I don't see how handing oneself in doesn't mesh with an acute psychotic episode though.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    What's sad is that some anti-war types will actually be happy this happened.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    They want the soldier to be handed over and tried under Afghan laws.

    US soldier kills Afghans in shooting spree - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Too early to tell and I don't think anything can be concluded from the vague "reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks". I don't see how handing oneself in doesn't mesh with an acute psychotic episode though.
    I'll reserve judgement. It just sounded strange to me, to do something entirely irrational and then something completely rational within minutes rang alarms.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's sad is that some anti-war types will actually be happy this happened.
    Actually, what's sad is that 16 civilians are dead and one US soldier who probably should have been in a psych ward just took their lives, destroyed their families, ruined his life, hurt his own family tremendously and may have put the lives of American soldiers in addition to the mission at risk. That is what is sad. Your comment is just baseless and out of place.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    aww ****, So much for winning the hearts and the minds of the people there. With this right on the heels of the Koran burning incident, our situation there is pretty much screwed.
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