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Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

Lord Tammerlain said:
And how do the Afghans appear to feel on the issue?

Do they seem more outrage by the Taliban killing people or by US soldiers killing Afghans
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With all respect, go ask them. I wouldn't know.
 
Mya said:
With all respect, go ask them. I wouldn't know.
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Do you not pay attention to the news?

It appears that many Afghans are quite upset about it, seemingly more then are upset with the Taliban
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Do you not pay attention to the news?

It appears that many Afghans are quite upset about it, seemingly more then are upset with the Taliban
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you know.... since I don't want to be banned for defending Americans.... I will not answer further.
 
Mya said:
you know.... since I don't want to be banned for defending Americans.... I will not answer further.
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Mya..."defending Americans" is not against the forum rules. I don't know where you came up with the idea that "defending Americans" could potentially get you banned. The only way for you to get banned would be if you happened to break some other rules in the process of "defending Americans."
 
StillBallin75 said:
Mya..."defending Americans" is not against the forum rules. I don't know where you came up with the idea that "defending Americans" could potentially get you banned. The only way for you to get banned would be if you happened to break some other rules in the process of "defending Americans."
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Do we have rules to defend Americans?

Isn't it understood we are on the American side?
What rules do you need to defend American troops?


I simply do not get it ... you are with Americans and you defend them or you are not! Period!
 
Mya said:
Do we have rules to defend Americans?

Isn't it understood we are on the American side?
What rules do you need to defend American troops?


I simply do not get it ... you are with Americans and you defend them or you are not! Period!
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I'm not sure what your point is, but my point is that you will not get banned for voicing your opinion on this issue, so I don't understand what you are afraid of.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'm not sure what your point is, but my point is that you will not get banned for voicing your opinion on this issue, so I don't understand what you are afraid of.
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Ok.... we will see .... I am pro-American and that sometimes comes too strongly. That's it.
 
Mya said:
Ok.... we will see .... I am pro-American and that sometimes comes too strongly. That's it.
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If you don't break any of the forum rules, you will be fine and there will be no mod actions taken.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If you don't break any of the forum rules, you will be fine and there will be no mod actions taken.
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To despise the enemy is breaking the rules in some threads .... hey, I have been warned LOL:tongue4: :shrug:
 
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If these same civilians were killed in a drone strike nobody would be talking about this right now.
 
Catawba said:
Oh Jeesh, this is all we need right now............. I only hope the retaliation doesn't increase the death tolls in Afghanistan, and that this incident along other recent incidents may spur a quicker withdrawal.
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Right, like we're not trying to get out of there as fast as we can as it is.
 
Jerry said:
Right, like we're not trying to get out of there as fast as we can as it is.
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Half way through 2014 is not as fast as we could get out of there.
 
Catawba said:
Oh Jeesh, this is all we need right now............. I only hope the retaliation doesn't increase the death tolls in Afghanistan, and that this incident along with other recent incidents may spur a quicker withdrawal.
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the my lai massacre of this generation/this occupation
let's compare to the original one [NSFW]
The My Lai Massacre in Pictures

that massacre possibly was the triggering incident which caused our population to re-evaluate our presence in another land
this one will likely provoke similar public introspection about our unnecessary wars

should that actually result, there will have been a slender thread of benefit from this tragedy
 
justabubba said:
the my lai massacre of this generation/this occupation
let's compare to the original one [NSFW]
The My Lai Massacre in Pictures

that massacre possibly was the triggering incident which caused our population to re-evaluate our presence in another land
this one will likely provoke similar public introspection about our unnecessary wars

should that actually result, there will have been a slender thread of benefit from this tragedy
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I can only hope this massacre will stir the same public introspection about our continued war there. That is the only possible good thing this tragedy could produce IMO.
 
Andalublue said:
I'll reserve judgement. It just sounded strange to me, to do something entirely irrational and then something completely rational within minutes rang alarms.
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I wish Obama was as smart as you are.

He immediately called to apologize for ther incedent without knowing the circumstances.

Shouldn't the President know what happened before making a call like that?
 
Mason66 said:
I wish Obama was as smart as you are.

He immediately called to apologize for ther incedent without knowing the circumstances.

Shouldn't the President know what happened before making a call like that?
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What possible future information would alter the necessity of offering an immediate apology for an American serviceman killing 16 civilians???
 
Catawba said:
What possible future information would alter the necessity of offering an immediate apology for an American serviceman killing 16 civilians???
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LoL going into peoples homes with night vision and murdering families in the night like a psychopath.

What's there to apologise to people about?
 
Catawba said:
I do, and I think I am not the only one that cares what the Afghans think.
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Really? That's disconnected. It gets worse if someone presumes that Afghans do not understand that there are crazy people and we prosecute them. We do not hold them up as idols or glorify them as 'martyrs'. We prosecute them; they are criminals. Losing sight of this simple concept is like losing sight of illegal/improper use is misuse.

There are crazies in every group. The only real question is, does the group support, condone or otherwise advocate such atrocity. In the case of the US, no. In the case of terrorists, yes. He could very well be put to death via military court. I'm not sure how insanity pleas work in the UCMJ, but some member probably knows.

Yes, we're sorry that we cannot catch all the crazies before they go total wackjob. We don't manage to do it in the US either, military nor civilian. We are also committed to seeing justice served. He's not a hero.
 
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ecofarm said:
Really? That's disconnected. It gets worse if someone presumes that Afghans do not understand that there are crazy people and we prosecute them. We do not hold them up as idols or glorify them as 'martyrs'. We prosecute them; they are criminals. Losing sight of this simple concept is like losing sight of illegal/improper use is misuse.

There are crazies in every group. The only real question is, does the group support, condone or otherwise advocate such atrocity. In the case of the US, no. In the case of terrorists, yes. He could very well be put to death via military court. I'm not sure how insanity pleas work in the UCMJ, but some member probably knows.
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The guy will get life in prison at worst.
For invading homes and slaughtering families you get deep fried fast.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
The guy will get life in prison at worst.
For invading homes and slaughtering families you get deep fried fast.
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Iirc, insanity doesn't work in a military court. If it doesn't, then he could be the first military execution in a while.


Hasan was formally arraigned on July 20, 2011.[138] He did not enter a plea, and the judge granted a request by Hasan's attorney's that a plea be entered at a later, unspecified, date. The judge set a trial date for Maj. Hasan's court martial for March 5, 2012
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That guy could be executed as well, right?

Same wiki:

The military justice system rarely carries out capital punishment—and no executions have been carried out since 1961,[134][135] although, no incidents involving mass murder have been prosecuted by the military since then. (From 1916 to 1961, the U.S. Army executed 135 people.)[136] A Rasmussen national survey found that 65% of Americans favored the death penalty in Hasan's case, and that 60% want the case investigated as an act of terrorism.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting
 
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