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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Actually the democracies in the world are pretty substantially outnumbered at the UN.
    Wouldnt it be funny if all those modern dictatorships were once occupied by the modern democracies?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I am sure SSgt Bales will end up on death row eventually.
    Unfortunately, not quick enough to prevent more US deaths in retaliation from the Afghans.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    You seem to think there were somehow many better choices available to support. Can you name any?
    There are choices for Sgt Bales.

    There is a great focus by the US on immunizing our soldiers from other countries judicial systems. Immunization is good to give soldiers the confidence to carry out missions and orders, without fear of ending up in a local jail or Foreign Country's death row.
    But the case of Sgt. Bales and the recent Kill Team members, were US Soldiers killing citizens in a foreign country, clearly without orders, and illogically without responsiblity under the host country's laws.

    Perhaps the immunization agreements should have exceptions. Perhaps the US should start recognizing when exeptions to immunization are blatantly obviously warranted.

    The US President can send Bales back to Afghanistan, and discharge him from the military, and give him a full presidential pardon, conditioned that he be subject to the Afghanisgtan Courts.

    There is no jstification for immunity for Bales, or the Kill Team members, but certainly not for Bales.

    The US Army should contract with the Taliban for security on US Army bases in Afghanistan. The Taliban are experienced and effective in eliminating Alcohol and drugs from communities. Under the Taliban rule, Poppy production was substantailly reduced. With the invasion of the US, the Opium production has dramatically increased.




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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I have no idea who you are speaking about, but I don't know of anyone who thinks he is a "hero". I would hope that most of us think he's a very sick man. He cracked. He has an excuse. Now the islamists who murder hundreds and hundreds of women and children, what is their excuse?
    What do you mean he had an "excuse"? The only question that matters is "was he or was he not justified in his actions"?

    Sure, he has a "why". Terrorists have a "why" too.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    The US Army should contract with the Taliban for security on US Army bases in Afghanistan. The Taliban are experienced and effective in eliminating Alcohol and drugs from communities. Under the Taliban rule, Poppy production was substantailly reduced. With the invasion of the US, the Opium production has dramatically increased.
    The Taliban are also very experienced and effective at stripping away women's basic human rights and enforcing outrageous backwards ass customs on the population, banning everything from music to toothpaste.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    The Taliban are also very experienced and effective at stripping away women's basic human rights and enforcing outrageous backwards ass customs on the population, banning everything from music to toothpaste.
    Sounds like Santorum would like the Taliban!
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    The Taliban are also very experienced and effective at stripping away women's basic human rights and enforcing outrageous backwards ass customs on the population, banning everything from music to toothpaste.
    So the best way to advance women's rights within in the Taliban is to conduct a war? There are no alternative methods of enlightenment? No possible other way, than war, to encourage women to peacefully demonstrate, or negotiate, for improved oppportunities?

    While the Taliban was in power, in the 1990's, how many delegations from the US went to Afghanistan to request and advocate for improved opportunities for women?

    So why shouldn't the US waive immunity for soldiers who commit murder, with no connection to their duties, or orders, or any confusion of robbery or attack?
    If requested by the Host country?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please point out who wanted to make this guy a hero for murdering women and baies when they slept, okay? We'll both attack whoever said that. You wouldn't lie, would you?
    Oh. come on. The right has been rushing to defend and excuse this guy from the first minute. One poster even suggested he receive a discharge and a pension for his actions.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I have no idea who you are speaking about, but I don't know of anyone who thinks he is a "hero". I would hope that most of us think he's a very sick man. He cracked. He has an excuse. Now the islamists who murder hundreds and hundreds of women and children, what is their excuse?
    Really? An excuse. Exhibit one, Ladies and Gentlemen.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sounds like Santorum would like the Taliban!
    He's the American version.

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