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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean like we supported Saddam when he was attacking Iran?
    You seem to think there were somehow many better choices available to support. Can you name any?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

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    The investigation of this incident isn't even complete and you are ready to make him pay....Who made you judge, and jury?

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    There was mention that alcohol was found in the living area of the assailant. Some of the witnesses to the killings said that the assaliant shouted like he was drunk. If alcohol was a factor in the mental capacity of the assailant, would alcohol be a mitigating factor? If alcohol was imbibed, and there is not supposed to be any alcohol in Afghanaisgtan, then might imbibing alcohol be an aggrivating factor? Were other soldiers involved in getting the assailant alcohol? Should other soldiers be charged as acceessories, for providing the alcohol?

    Was any other contraband found when the outpost was searched? Were other legal or illegal drugs found? Was there any abuse of drugs by the assailant in the days leading up to Sunday, March 11, 2012? If the assailant ingested illegal drugs, should this be a Mitigating or an Aggravating factor? Was there sufficient mental capacity to form intent for murder?

    This soldier going off, with 16 dead, maybe should give a warning to other soldiers in areas of trust in the world, to maintain sobriety. Maybe this assailant is not guilty of murder bedause he was too intoxicated to from an intent to murder. But on the other hand, if a soldier is in a position of trust, doesn't the soldier owe those foreigners in his charge, at least his sobriety of judgement?

    Since Alcohol is forbidden in Islam, and alcohol generally not avaiable in Afghanistgan, would it be a cultural insult to Afghans, to give the assailant a break because he was drunk?

    What other factors need to be considered at Trial, sentencing, and in charging other soldiers?




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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    There was mention that alcohol was found in the living area of the assailant. Some of the witnesses to the killings said that the assaliant shouted like he was drunk. If alcohol was a factor in the mental capacity of the assailant, would alcohol be a mitigating factor? If alcohol was imbibed, and there is not supposed to be any alcohol in Afghanaisgtan, then might imbibing alcohol be an aggrivating factor? Were other soldiers involved in getting the assailant alcohol? Should other soldiers be charged as acceessories, for providing the alcohol?

    Was any other contraband found when the outpost was searched? Were other legal or illegal drugs found? Was there any abuse of drugs by the assailant in the days leading up to Sunday, March 11, 2012? If the assailant ingested illegal drugs, should this be a Mitigating or an Aggravating factor? Was there sufficient mental capacity to form intent for murder?

    This soldier going off, with 16 dead, maybe should give a warning to other soldiers in areas of trust in the world, to maintain sobriety. Maybe this assailant is not guilty of murder bedause he was too intoxicated to from an intent to murder. But on the other hand, if a soldier is in a position of trust, doesn't the soldier owe those foreigners in his charge, at least his sobriety of judgement?

    Since Alcohol is forbidden in Islam, and alcohol generally not avaiable in Afghanistgan, would it be a cultural insult to Afghans, to give the assailant a break b ecause he was drunk?

    What otehr factors need to be considered at Trial, sentencing, and in charging other soldiers?




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    Intoxication as seen by most courts, and as far as I'm concerned is not a mitigating factor. You have ultimate control over your body, if you subject yourself to excessive alcohol, you are still 100% liable for your actions.

    I would find it in this case and this case only an aggravating factor that he was drunk, because he was deployed and still drank, putting not only his, but his comrades lives in danger.

    I'm an afghan veteran myself, and I can say that drinking and drugs are suprisingly prevalent among the troops. The easiest way to get alcohol is have a loved one send it in a mouth wash container or something. Drugs are the same way. Hell, marijuana grew on the COP we were on. Insobriety is no defense.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I don't think Obama is stupid enough to set Afghanistan on fire.
    I wasn't referring to Afghanistan, I was referring to home-grown vermin. Obama actually defied the scum by bringing him to the U.S. for trial.




    That happens every time we insert ourselves in a civil war. Look at Vietnam and Iraq.
    And? Do you assume there would be no bloodbaths if we hadn't been involved? That the U.S. just automatically generates them by its' mere presence? That none of those peoples are to blame for anything? Is there some reason why people who habitually use this as a talking point can never bring themselves to blame, say, the Soviet Union and Ho for Viet Nam, for instance?

    There are no US troops in Iraq as McCain had planned. Civil wars always result in bloodshed. Have you forgotten how bloody our own civil war was?
    I'm very familiar with the civil war started by the railroad lawyer from Illinois for the benefit of his financial swindler Republicans up North. That was key to creating the Republican Party in the first place, destroying the South in order to help themselves to massive handouts. What do you want to know about it?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean like we supported Saddam when he was attacking Iran?
    Yes, exactly. Had you a grasp of history you'd be familiar with Iranians attacking, murdering and kidnapping Americans.

    It would have been a truer picture of our motivation but would have been too obvious for the rest of the world to abide.
    Rest of the world? What rest of the world? Who are you referring to here?
    No it is the scenario of your wish to bomb the hell out of the middle east.
    Use quotes and respond only to the the questions asked.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Intoxication as seen by most courts, and as far as I'm concerned is not a mitigating factor. You have ultimate control over your body, if you subject yourself to excessive alcohol, you are still 100% liable for your actions.

    I would find it in this case and this case only an aggravating factor that he was drunk, because he was deployed and still drank, putting not only his, but his comrades lives in danger.

    I'm an afghan veteran myself, and I can say that drinking and drugs are suprisingly prevalent among the troops. The easiest way to get alcohol is have a loved one send it in a mouth wash container or something. Drugs are the same way. Hell, marijuana grew on the COP we were on. Insobriety is no defense.
    "The office of attorney John Henry Browne confirmed to ABC News that Browne has agreed to represent the soldier who is based at Joint Base Lewis McChord just outside of Tacoma, Washington."


    "According to Seattle press accounts, Browne says he spoke with the soldier by phone early Thursday. Browne told the Associated Press that the soldier "wasn't thrilled about going on another deployment...he wasn't going back, and then he was told he was going.

    "Browne said he was making plans to fly to Kuwait to meet with his new client.

    Barefoot Bandit Lawyer Will Represent Afghan Massacre Suspect - ABC News






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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Eddie Slovik, you are about to have company.

    How much would it cost to get a few more PTSD mental Helath therapy dogs deployed?


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    Maybe the Army doctors will give more thought to the slight possiblity of very adverse consequences, before handing out anti-depressants in theatre.



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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Actually, what's sad is that 16 civilians are dead and one US soldier who probably should have been in a psych ward just took their lives, destroyed their families, ruined his life, hurt his own family tremendously and may have put the lives of American soldiers in addition to the mission at risk. That is what is sad. Your comment is just baseless and out of place.
    TPD, I haven't been following this thread since the first day it was started. I've been thinking about it, though. The best thing I can do to understand an opposing view point is to put myself in their position (or an equivalent one). If someone suggested I was "happy" about this because I support the war effort, I wouldn't like it and I wouldn't agree with it. So, with that in mind, and despite my early defensive protestations that I stand by my comment, I've rethought this. I should not have said that anyone would be "happy" about this. I don't believe anyone is. My word choice was a poor one. I regret it and I do apologize to any one who was offended by it.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Originally Posted by X Factor

    I stand by what I said originally. Most people revel in the successes of our military, but there are those who revel in their failings


    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I stand by my original comments that your original post was baseless and out of place. I also stand by the assertion that it's odd and questionable that you would chose to concentrate first and foremost on smearing other people based on actions that they haven't committed and ignoring the actual sad part of what has happened.


    This isn't a failure of our military. This is the action of an individual that has destroyed the lives of many people. Saying that some anti-war people will be "happy" that some guy killed 16 civilians and destroyed many lives is a far cry from saying that some people "revel" in military failings. You're backtracking. Moreover, anti-war people are usually anti-war because they cannot stand it when things like this happen so it seems like you, as you often do, are twisting what people actually stand for in order to smear people you disagree with.
    The US military has been working on improving the recognition and treatment of PTSD and Brain injury conditions. Mental health is a potential problem in military oerations. While this was an action by an individual, an individual not following orders, there is an option for a deployed US Army soldier to request medical atention. There was an opportunity for other members in the assailant's unit to suggest that the assailant request medical attention, before leaving his base on March 11, 2012, at about 3 AM.

    The killing of 16 Afghans is also possibly an institutional failure, because much is now known about PTSD and TBI, Traumatic Brain injury. The Assailant experienced TBI in a vehicle rollover in 2010, in Iraq. It is possible that the Medical evaluation or treatment of the assailant's TBI or PTSD could have been better, based on what is known about PTSD and TBI. It is also possible that by reviewing this assailant's case, something can be learned, so that US treatment of PTSD and TBI can be improved, by the US Army, as an institution.

    The US Army should evaluate the treatment of TBI and PTSD, and review the medications being used in these cases. Most school shootings involve anti-depressants. Sometimes the effects of the Anti-depressants take affect a month after stopping taking the medications. Privacy concerns are often cited in keeping the information on anti-depressants or psycho-tropic drugs secret.


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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    You seem to think there were somehow many better choices available to support. Can you name any?
    The question was how is the Afghanistan supporting terrorism by the Taliban different that our supporting the terrorism by Saddam?

    Our better choice would have been to follow our Constitution and stay the **** out of it.
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