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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I stand by my original comments that your original post was baseless and out of place. I also stand by the assertion that it's odd and questionable that you would chose to concentrate first and foremost on smearing other people based on actions that they haven't committed and ignoring the actual sad part of what has happened.


    This isn't a failure of our military. This is the action of an individual that has destroyed the lives of many people. Saying that some anti-war people will be "happy" that some guy killed 16 civilians and destroyed many lives is a far cry from saying that some people "revel" in military failings. You're backtracking. Moreover, anti-war people are usually anti-war because they cannot stand it when things like this happen so it seems like you, as you often do, are twisting what people actually stand for in order to smear people you disagree with.
    Yeah, me saying that I stand by my original comment is me backtracking. I'm not smearing anyone. I made it clear that I think it's rare, but it is out there.

    I would like to ask those anti-war people whom you reference if they only "cannot stand it when things like this happen" when it's someone wearing our uniform who does it? Where are the demands for apologies when it's our soldiers, citizens and allies who are targeted for violence?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, me saying that I stand by my original comment is me backtracking. I'm not smearing anyone. I made it clear that I think it's rare, but it is out there.
    You are backtracking. You've come up with a completely different argument for me to address since you know that your original one is nonsense.

    I would like to ask those anti-war people whom you reference if they only "cannot stand it when things like this happen" when it's someone wearing our uniform who does it? Where are the demands for apologies when it's our soldiers, citizens and allies who are targeted for violence?
    Give me a break.

    Like I said, this isn't a failure of our military meaning that your argument about people "reveling" in our military failures is completely unrelated to your original argument. Your original comment remains out of place and illogical, particularly given the stance of anti-war people that war is bad because of the needless KILLING. And now since you've realized that your argument is illogical on so many levels, we get to the part of program (your program is always the same) where you deflect by asking "why don't they do X, Y and Z" random actions?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Being in a war is a mind bending experience, it brings out the best in some, the worst in others and now and then somebody just snaps. We owe no apology for one of our soldiers snapping during the process of trying to liberate Afghanistan from tyranny.
    Damn straight. Where was the apology for the colonel killed for us burning a ****ing book? **** those people. They kill us, we kill them. It's the game of life.

    It's funny, when Afgan civilians kill US soldiers, that's no big deal, that's ok. But when US soldiers kill Afgan civilians (remember, Afghanistan has no military) an apology is required. I say lets get the **** out that **** hole.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's sad is that some anti-war types will actually be happy this happened.
    I think this is more of a symptom or an indicator of an already ****ty situation, rather than the cause of it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Damn straight. Where was the apology for the colonel killed for us burning a ****ing book? **** those people. They kill us, we kill them. It's the game of life.

    It's funny, when Afgan civilians kill US soldiers, that's no big deal, that's ok. But when US soldiers kill Afgan civilians (remember, Afghanistan has no military) an apology is required. I say lets get the **** out that **** hole.
    Afghanistan has a military...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Being in a war is a mind bending experience, it brings out the best in some, the worst in others and now and then somebody just snaps. We owe no apology for one of our soldiers snapping during the process of trying to liberate Afghanistan from tyranny.
    So you are implicitly condoning the murder of civilians, or at least saying that it isn't a big deal. Nice to know.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Afghanistan has a military...
    Well, this is true, but only really because we trained them so we are on the same side. Not a military that is "against us" in this war.

    You are correct, I was not clear enough on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So you are implicitly condoning the murder of civilians, or at least saying that it isn't a big deal. Nice to know.
    If you had the slightest clue what the Vietkong (sp?) did to our soldiers in Vietnam, you'd laugh at this.
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 03-11-12 at 12:50 PM.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Demanding an apology from a terrorist/enemy soldier is like demanding honesty from a politician...t'ain't gonna happen and it's stupid to expect it to happen. Jesus Christ people.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Damn straight. Where was the apology for the colonel killed for us burning a ****ing book? **** those people. They kill us, we kill them. It's the game of life.

    It's funny, when Afgan civilians kill US soldiers, that's no big deal, that's ok. But when US soldiers kill Afgan civilians (remember, Afghanistan has no military) an apology is required. I say lets get the **** out that **** hole.
    Their drill may be out of step, but Afghan army is ready for the fight - Telegraph

    Afghanistan has a military.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Well, this is true, but only really because we trained them so we are on the same side. Not a military that is "against us" in this war.

    You are correct, I was not clear enough on that.
    Yes, but we are still fighting an armed enemy, although not uniformed. This does not make it okay for us to kill non-combatants, or to treat all non-combatants as the enemy. Apart from being morally wrong, it also isn't going to make our situation there more tenable.

    I do agree with you that it is high time for us to get the hell out of there.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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