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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You miss the point that we are bankrupting the country on endless optional wars. Many are concerned we have a spending problem that is out of control.

    Not you though, huh?
    The US will continue to go deeper in debt, and lose more good people, unless they drop this "hearts and minds" thing and just bomb the crap out of anyone who attacks them, specifically targeting the leadership of any country which allows terrorists within their borders.

    A good sized bomb should have been dropped on the Saudis long ago, and the same holds true with Iran. It saves a lot of lives in the long run.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The US will continue to go deeper in debt, and lose more good people, unless they drop this "hearts and minds" thing and just bomb the crap out of anyone who attacks them, specifically targeting the leadership of any country which allows terrorists within their borders.
    I guess you missed it somewhere along the way, but neither Afghanistan nor Iraq attacked the US.

    A good sized bomb should have been dropped on the Saudis long ago, and the same holds true with Iran. It saves a lot of lives in the long run.
    Why sure, further bankrupt the country and drive gas prices to $15 a gal - Good plan you've got there!!!
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Are you saying that we don't have a military presence in Iraq?
    All US Troops were withdrawn from Iraq by the end of last year, as demanded by Iraq.



    lol we still have a military presence in Germany and Japan and South Korea and Britain etc. military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan will be no different and will not strain our economy.
    You are living in McCain's mind. Yes, McCain wanted to keep military bases in Iraq till their oil runs out. That's why we elected the other guy.



    You did no such thing sir, no government on the planet is openly harboring AQ.
    Al-Qaeda around the world




    I said "terrorism" not specifically AQ, however, apparently you haven't read the Pentagon's DOCEX report.
    Post Persian Gulf war Iraq did not have the capacity to be military threat to the US or its neighbors.



    Some have just let their fears and imaginations run away with them in their support of US hegemony in the middle east.

    It is still a mystery to me where that kind of fear comes from in the most powerful country on the planet.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    Post Persian Gulf war Iraq did not have the capacity to be military threat to the US or its neighbors.

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    Saddam Hussein was creating problems for Israel by paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers $25,000.00, each. Syria was paying $10,000.00. Suicide bombers were making life in Israel, less pleasant. Some 200 suicide vests were found in Iraq in about 2002, during the second US invasion. Many in the US consider themselves part of the community of Western Nations, including Europe and Israel. This connection, of all Western nations, may be difficiult for American Indians to embrace.


    Certainly there are cheaper ways to disrupt our enemies, rather than by nation re-building. It is in the interests of seeing our enemies, as our future friends, that gives many in America, and in the West, the heart to spend more than the minimum needed for disruption.


    Many can laugh at the expectations of Dick Cheney to be welcomed into Iraq with flowers thrown in the path of the invading US troops. But the US put forth a lot of sacrifice to try to make Iraq a politcially viable country. For effort, the US deserves the friendhip of the Iraqis. Similarly, many in the US are trying to earn the friendship of the Afghans, through nation-building. The process is expensive, and progresses in fits and starts. With Two Steps Backwards, etc.




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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Saddam Hussein was creating problems for Israel by paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers $25,000.00, each. Syria was paying $10,000.00. Suicide bombers were making life in Israel, less pleasant. Some 200 suicide vests were found in Iraq in about 2002, during the second US invasion. Many in the US consider themselves part of the community of Western Nations, including Europe and Israel. This connection, of all Western nations, may be difficiult for American Indians to embrace.
    The money was to aid families that suffered losses. We give money to Israel and they bombed Iraq, an act of war. We ourselves have given support to Saddam to attack Iran. We give lots of money to the Saudis and they attacked us on 9/11, and most of the suicide bombers in Iraq were Saudi. So what's your point? Do as we say, not as we do?



    Certainly there are cheaper ways to disrupt our enemies, rather than by nation re-building.
    Yeah, by not invading and occupying countries that are of no military threat to us.


    Many can laugh at the expectations of Dick Cheney to be welcomed into Iraq with flowers thrown in the path of the invading US troops. But the US put forth a lot of sacrifice to try to make Iraq a politcially viable country.
    Like we made the US a politically viable country for the native Americans?


    For effort, the US deserves the friendhip of the Iraqis.
    Funny that the Iraqis didn't see it that way when they kicked our ass out of their country, despite our having built big military bases there.


    Similarly, many in the US are trying to earn the friendship of the Afghans, through nation-building. The process is expensive, and progresses in fits and starts. With Two Steps Backwards, etc.
    And how's that going after more than a decade?

    Karzai Says Afghans Would Back Pakistan in Clash With U.S. ...

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Don't put words into my mouth. Wether or not he was wearing his uniform is of no importance to me. He could have been cross-dressing or been dressed in a g-string, it is not his clothes that determine if a person is a murderer but his actions. Going into a town and gunning 9 children down and a few more people is murder no matter who, how, what, where and because of what.

    A killing spree is just as much murder as any other murder. And being insane is a legal term to describe why a murderer has done what he has done, it does not alter his status as murderer.

    If you feel someone like that is in need of rehabilitation that is your issue, I think he needs to pay for his crimes, if he was a murderer that did so because he was insane he needs to first serve a prison sentence and then needs to be remanded until he no longer poses a threat to the population. I could care less if that means he has to be locked up until he is dead or that he can with treatment be seen as cured.

    The investigation of this incident isn't even complete and you are ready to make him pay....Who made you judge, and jury?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The investigation of this incident isn't even complete and you are ready to make him pay....Who made you judge, and jury?

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    my understanding is that by showing up in these forums and acknowledging an understanding and acceptance of the rules is all that is needed to express an opinion - as he did

    now if you are able to show me where he has an ability to influence the outcome of this case, then i will apologize for intruding
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The investigation of this incident isn't even complete and you are ready to make him pay....Who made you judge, and jury?

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    Indeed. Based on available info, he should at worst receive a medical discharge and a pension from what I've read about him so far. It was clearly a stress induced temporary insanity at best, and possibly a permanent disorder, yet to be determined.

    At least Obama didn't throw him under the bus, which is surprising, re he will be tried here in the U.S. as opposed to being thrown to the Islamo-vermin in Afghanistan. Well, at least he hasn't yet, anyway.

    As for the scum who are shooting American soldiers over this and the Quran burning, they should be hunted down and shot. We can then see if their families like the same sort of 'justice' their murdering vermin relatives indulged in.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my understanding is that by showing up in these forums and acknowledging an understanding and acceptance of the rules is all that is needed to express an opinion - as he did

    Who said anything about him offering his opinion? That's fine....but can we at least complete the investigation before we say let's string him up?


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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Indeed. Based on available info, he should at worst receive a medical discharge and a pension from what I've read about him so far. It was clearly a stress induced temporary insanity at best, and possibly a permanent disorder, yet to be determined.
    Not that I think there is a chance in hell of that happening, but it would certainly bring about a quick end to our war in Afghanistan!

    We would be kicked out Afghanistan just like were were kicked out of Iraq!
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