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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    al Qaeda are located all over the world. Are you planning decade long wars, killing thousand of innocent civilians, in all of these countries:

    Al-Qaeda around the world

    What has our war on Afghanistan and Iraq done to make us safe from terrorist attacks in the future???
    Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed. There have have been attempts at further terrorist acts but they were not successful, at least in the USA and Canada. This certainly goes a long way in keeping innocent people safe into the future.

    The alternative is to do nothing and let the Islamists carry on with their terrorism. Would that be your choice?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    AQ wasn't operating clandestinely out of Afghanistan they were there with the full knowledge and protection of the Taliban government, they were a part of the Taliban government and military sitting on the Taliban's ministry of defense and forming their 055 Brigade and they had launched numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan and the Taliban continued to grant them safe haven up to and even after the 9-11 attacks.
    What do you think our decade long war is going to do to prevent the same conditions to occur once we leave? And what about the al Qaeda in other countries around the world? Are we going to have decade long wars in each of those countries as well?

    What was the decade long war with Iraq, the one country without al Qaeda, all about???

    Bin Laden said they would defeat America, not on the battlefield, but by draining our financial resources fighting endless war. It appears there are some that are determined to prove his prediction correct.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed. There have have been attempts at further terrorist acts but they were not successful, at least in the USA and Canada. This certainly goes a long way in keeping innocent people safe into the future.

    The alternative is to do nothing and let the Islamists carry on with their terrorism. Would that be your choice?
    I agree with what the Rand Corp suggested to deal with terrorism, and it is basically what you just stated we should do, "Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed."

    Rand Corp -- War On Terrorism Is A Failure.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What do you think our decade long war is going to do to prevent the same conditions to occur once we leave? And what about the al Qaeda in other countries around the world? Are we going to have decade long wars in each of those countries as well?

    What was the decade long war with Iraq, the one country without al Qaeda, all about???

    Bin Laden said they would defeat America, not on the battlefield, but by draining our financial resources fighting endless war. It appears there are some that are determined to prove his prediction correct.
    no one cares about bin laden,hes dead,and im sure what we killed was his lokkalike because no man suffers extreme kidney failure and live over a decade getting better with the years,in a country with no good hospitals.

    terrorists strategy is propoganda,they fight through fear and only win if we get scared,their own countries they use fear and propoganda to turn the locals against us.

    this is why ive said many times treat them like our best friends but treat them like our worst enemies.every stupid thing we do al quaeda has on aljazeera minutes later.

    btw if youve never seen al jazeera its like fox news,but without the lies but also with decapitation.whatever happens that station shows good or bad and the afghan people arent gonna back a foreign government that the veiw as hostile,rather than friend.this is the terrorists true attack strategy,to turn the eople against us and incite fear,terrorism itself means to terrorize.

    we initiated the hearts and minds strategy after the end of the bush era,right about the same time iraq turned around.however obamas actions in pakistan and with arab spring support as well as drone attacks that attack civilians obama effectively destroyed any progress made from almost a decade of war.

    should we back out yes,should we have had to yes but with correct strategy we would have left winners not losers,where as now we will back out as losers much like vietnam,maybe obamas administration should have read history,they would have seen our biggest flaw in vietnam was the president and congress running the war instead of the generals.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    "The New York Times, citing an unidentified senior US official, said the soldier had been flown to Kuwait. CNN also reported the sergeant had been taken there.

    "Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s office was understood to have accepted that the soldier be tried in a US court, provided the process was transparent and open to media."

    As US soldier who killed 16 Afghans is flown away, Panetta calls for restraint – The Express Tribune



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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    "The New York Times, citing an unidentified senior US official, said the soldier had been flown to Kuwait. CNN also reported the sergeant had been taken there.

    "Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s office was understood to have accepted that the soldier be tried in a US court, provided the process was transparent and open to media."

    As US soldier who killed 16 Afghans is flown away, Panetta calls for restraint – The Express Tribune



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    the military is not very know for hiding court martials for crimes already exposed to the public,those unknown to the public is a different story.

    its what he deserves,he can basically claim insanity but court martials are conducted by a panel of high ranking government civilians and officers,and dont have to follow use court laws,but rather military laws.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    no one cares about bin laden,hes dead,and im sure what we killed was his lokkalike because no man suffers extreme kidney failure and live over a decade getting better with the years,in a country with no good hospitals.
    You miss the point that we are bankrupting the country on endless optional wars. Many are concerned we have a spending problem that is out of control.

    Not you though, huh?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What do you think our decade long war is going to do to prevent the same conditions to occur once we leave?
    What conditions prevented the Nazi's regaining power? We will continue to have a military presence in Afghanistan even after we officially end actual combat operations.

    And what about the al Qaeda in other countries around the world? Are we going to have decade long wars in each of those countries as well?
    Which countries are openly harboring AQ and doing absolutely nothing to combat them?

    What was the decade long war with Iraq, the one country without al Qaeda, all about???
    You're right, Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with international terrorism whatsoever.
    Bin Laden said they would defeat America, not on the battlefield, but by draining our financial resources fighting endless war. It appears there are some that are determined to prove his prediction correct.
    It appears that OBL is dead doesn't it?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    What conditions prevented the Nazi's regaining power? We will continue to have a military presence in Afghanistan even after we officially end actual combat operations.
    Just like we did in Iraq? Who do you suggest pays for it, or do we just put add to the National debt with the rest of the war debt?



    Which countries are openly harboring AQ and doing absolutely nothing to combat them?
    I provided the link above, check it out.



    You're right, Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with international terrorism whatsoever.
    Both the Pentagon and the CIA determined there was no Saddam/al Qaeda link. But we are to take your word over the findings of the Pentagon and the CIA?


    It appears that OBL is dead doesn't it?
    Yes, and it didn't take a decade long war against Pakistan to accomplish, did it?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just like we did in Iraq?

    Are you saying that we don't have a military presence in Iraq?

    Who do you suggest pays for it, or do we just put add to the National debt with the rest of the war debt?
    lol we still have a military presence in Germany and Japan and South Korea and Britain etc. military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan will be no different and will not strain our economy.

    I provided the link above, check it out.
    You did no such thing sir, no government on the planet is openly harboring AQ.



    Both the Pentagon and the CIA determined there was no Saddam/al Qaeda link. But we are to take your word over the findings of the Pentagon and the CIA?
    I said "terrorism" not specifically AQ, however, apparently you haven't read the Pentagon's DOCEX report.

    Yes, and it didn't take a decade long war against Pakistan to accomplish, did it?
    It certainly did take human intelligence to capture him that we never would have had had it not been for the war in Afghanistan; furthermore, he would have never left Afghanistan in the first place had it not been for the war nor would his death have done anything to destroy the upper echelons of AQ leadership or the training camps operating in Afghanistan.

    Oh and FYI sport you have once again ridiculously shifted your goals posts, at first you were denying that it was the Taliban who caused the majority of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, to then asserting that the Taliban were not responsible for the war to begin with because no Afghans were involved with the actual execution of the attack, and apparently now your argument is that even though it is the Taliban and AQ killing the civilians not the Coalition, and even though it is the Taliban and AQ who were the aggressors in this war not the Coalition, that the war was just unnecessary because nothing will be gained in the long run as if you have some magic ball, my argument is not based on predictions of what the future might bring it is based on the fact that without the war the Taliban and AQ would still be in power and without their actions 0 civilians would have died in this war because it is THEY not us who started it.

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