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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I know within 6 years, we killed zero Afghan civilians over there and we've not had the first civilian killed here by an Afghan. Thank you for proving my point.

    The numbers of civilians we killed in Iraq were even greater, and we had no Iraqi attacks on civilians here.

    The Reason the US went to Afghanistan was because of 9-11, where some 3400 civillians were killed in the US. The same outrage felt by Afghanistans about the 16 people killed by a rogue US soldier, was felt by the West, for 9-11, for the 3400 civillian deaths.

    How much has the US spent to keep civillians safe from terrorist acts? No Fly lists, screening luggage, searching airline passengers, improving aircraft and airport security?

    The Taliban had no idea that Al Qaida was planning civillian deaths in the West? You are claiming that the Taliban and no Afghans assisted Al Qaida in any way with 9-11? Afghanistan was a haven for anti-Western terrorist groups, leading up to 9-11.

    Afghanistan has been a source of Opium and Marijuana, and has resulted in drug overdose deaths in the US. The drug trade invites violence in the distribution process of drugs. Afghanistan is a central core of violence in the West.


    "2000 - causes of death - illicit drug use) "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    The Reason the US went to Afghanistan was because of 9-11, where some 3400 civillians were killed in the US. The same outrage felt by Afghanistans about the 16 people killed by a rogue US soldier, was felt by the West, for 9-11, for the 3400 civillian deaths.
    I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.
    The Afgan people should be angry at the Taleban for not turning over OBL when they had the chance.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.
    Maybe the US would have been wiser not to arm Afghans against the Russians, and to have let Russia deal with Afghanistan.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Maybe the US would have been wiser not to arm Afghans against the Russians, and to have let Russia deal with Afghanistan.

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    With 20/20 hindsight, possibly yes, but at the time, still in deepest, frostiest Cold War, realpolitik dictated otherwise.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    So whats the punishment he gets for killing 16 people? Probably free food and lodging.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I don't know the personal reasons of members in Congress, I was taking about liberal in general. What I do know is that a lot of the anti lybian action rabble came from democrats in Congress. I suggest you read more about just war theory.

    I am very familiar with "just war theory", Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc, personally. Liberals in "General", "no war for oil" is simply dependent to them based on who's in the oval office.







    Im don't know what gs scale means. however, I do know that "fringe" benefits are becoming a larger share of the DoDs budget and things need to change. I say start with those who are going to retire within the next 10 years, and alter some befits of those who are retired first. For instance, collecting military pension prior to the retirement age (a 38 year old who collects full 20 retirement for instance).

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    YOu are in the military and you don't know the civillans working for the military that **** all your **** up get paid on a "GS scale"? Perhaps you should read up, Obama doesn't want to triple thier tri-care co-pays.....

    I agree some of it needs restructuring, starting at the bottom and exempting civillians, is the wrong action. Furthermore, you see combat, You get free healthcare for life - no co-pay -no service level adjustment -no requrment the medical service is service related. not that I need it, I do very well for myself, but I have many a brother and sister, who would benefit greatly. If they want to send us to war, they need to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I am very familiar with "just war theory", Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc, personally. Liberals in "General", "no war for oil" is simply dependent to them based on who's in the oval office.






    YOu are in the military and you don't know the civillans working for the military that **** all your **** up get paid on a "GS scale"? Perhaps you should read up, Obama doesn't want to triple thier tri-care co-pays.....

    I agree some of it needs restructuring, starting at the bottom and exempting civillians, is the wrong action. Furthermore, you see combat, You get free healthcare for life - no co-pay -no service level adjustment -no requrment the medical service is service related. not that I need it, I do very well for myself, but I have many a brother and sister, who would benefit greatly. If they want to send us to war, they need to pay for it.
    Im terrible with acronyms. AFAIK civilians are having their Co pay go up as well since I heard a couple bitching about it. And I did specifically say non war related "fringe" benefits should be the first to be adjusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Im terrible with acronyms. AFAIK civilians are having their Co pay go up as well since I heard a couple bitching about it. And I did specifically say non war related "fringe" benefits should be the first to be adjusted.

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    Look up, in the article i provided it states that no, their co-pays will be untouched.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Stop shifting the goal posts, the bottom line is that the vast majority of civilian casualties in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been at the hands of the insurgents not the U.S. military.
    That happened because of our war there, in addition to the thousands of civilians we have killed in our war there, vs zero American civilians killed here by Afghans.
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