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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    2 bankrupting wars, global financial collapse, no big deal!
    Liberal didn't vote for any of that of course.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Liberal didn't vote for any of that of course.
    The majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the war in Iraq vs an almost unanimous majority of Republicans that voted for it.

    A majority of Democrats support reregulating the banks while an almost unanimous majority of Republicans oppose it.

    A majority of Democrats support eliminating the tax cuts for the rich, and a unanimous majority of Republicans oppose it.
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    really? i see little difference other than Who is in charge for most of these campegins
    I don't know the personal reasons of members in Congress, I was taking about liberal in general. What I do know is that a lot of the anti lybian action rabble came from democrats in Congress. I suggest you read more about just war theory.




    So you are suggesting you make the families of e-2's, have thier copays increased, three-fold while the civillian gs scale types, have no such triple increase?
    Im don't know what gs scale means. however, I do know that "fringe" benefits are becoming a larger share of the DoDs budget and things need to change. I say start with those who are going to retire within the next 10 years, and alter some befits of those who are retired first. For instance, collecting military pension prior to the retirement age (a 38 year old who collects full 20 retirement for instance).

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From your source: " the continued annual rises has seen over 12,793 killed in the past six years."

    So in just 6 years of our war on Afghanistan, 12,793 civilians were killed of which you stated the Taliban killed 75%.

    In those same 6 years by your source, Coalition forces killed 3,198 Afghan civilians. How does that compare with the number of American civilians killed by the Afghans?
    Your point is that few US Civilians have been killed by Afghans.

    Searched NGO deaths:


    "At least 100 relief workers in Afghanistan have been killed so far this year, far more than in any previous year, prompting a debate within humanitarian organizations about whether American military strategy is putting them and the Afghans they serve at unnecessary risk. "


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/wo.../14afghan.html




    From 2006 to 2011, there were 2516 Coalition Forces killed in Afghanistan.

    Afghans Dispute NATO Casualty Figures | GroundReport

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Your point is that few US Civilians have been killed by Afghans.

    Searched NGO deaths:


    "At least 100 relief workers in Afghanistan have been killed so far this year, far more than in any previous year, prompting a debate within humanitarian organizations about whether American military strategy is putting them and the Afghans they serve at unnecessary risk. "


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/wo.../14afghan.html




    From 2006 to 2011, there were 2516 Coalition Forces killed in Afghanistan.

    Afghans Dispute NATO Casualty Figures | GroundReport

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    You misunderstand, I am talking about the comparison of people that come here from other countries and kill American civilians compared to the number of civilians we kill in other countries.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the war in Iraq vs an almost unanimous majority of Republicans that voted for it.

    A majority of Democrats support reregulating the banks while an almost unanimous majority of Republicans oppose it.

    A majority of Democrats support eliminating the tax cuts for the rich, and a unanimous majority of Republicans oppose it.
    They aren't tax cuts for the rich, save that bull**** for your liberal circle-jerks. Democrats voting plenty for the war.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would be curious to see your source for that claim.
    I already showed them to you and you replied with utter nonsense, but here they are again let's see what ridiculous tripe you post in response this time:

    Taliban Causes Most Civilian Deaths in Afghanistan, U.N. Says
    By ALISSA J. RUBIN
    Published: March 9, 2011

    KABUL, Afghanistan Last year was the deadliest of more than nine years of war for Afghan civilians, the United Nations reported Wednesday, attributing 75 percent of the deaths to attacks by Taliban and other insurgents rather than coalition forces.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/wo...stan.html?_r=1
    The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 1,167 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by anti-government elements in the first six months of 2011, up 28% from the same period in 2010 and representing 79.8% of the total 1,462 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the conflict during this period.

    http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/...rt%20Final.pdf

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They aren't tax cuts for the rich
    What are not tax cuts for the rich?

    Democrats voting plenty for the war.
    Check the historical record? More Democrats voted against the war in Iraq than voted for it, vs an near unanimous vote for the war by the Republicans.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    I already showed them to you and you replied with utter nonsense, but here they are again let's see what ridiculous tripe you post in response this time:
    Yes, I know within 6 years, we killed zero Afghan civilians over there and we've not had the first civilian killed here by an Afghan. Thank you for proving my point.

    The numbers of civilians we killed in Iraq were even greater, and we had no Iraqi attacks on civilians here.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I know within 6 years, we killed zero Afghan civilians over there and we've not had the first civilian killed here by an Afghan. Thank you for proving my point.

    The numbers of civilians we killed in Iraq were even greater, and we had no Iraqi attacks on civilians here.
    Stop shifting the goal posts, the bottom line is that the vast majority of civilian casualties in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been at the hands of the insurgents not the U.S. military.

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