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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Or bring back a republican and then all the fake anti-war leftists will come trapsing out against the war again. face it the anti-war movement is a fashion statment, while you may be the extreme, all your backup, seems to have vanished...... instead cheering for wars such as lybia.... Must really burn you to see that crap. eh?
    Its still the liberals protesting our optional middle east wars, not the conservatives.

    IT'S TIME TO END THE AFGHANISTAN OCCUPATION
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    "The reality on the ground is that the longer we stay in Afghanistan, the more damage we create … It’s time for us to get out. - Graham Clumpner, former Army Ranger who served in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2006.

    Members of the Afghanistan Veterans Against the War committee of IVAW are speaking out about the recent massacre of at least 16 Afghan civilians by a U.S. Army staff sergeant in a Kandahar village. They see the incident as just the latest example of the U.S./NATO failed military strategy in Afghanistan and are calling on elected officials to stop funding the war, which now costs taxpayers between $1 and $2 billion per week.

    Take action with Afghanistan Veterans Against the War and other veterans by:

    Send a letter to the editor of your local paper condemning the massacre and calling for an end to our occupation in Afghanistan.

    See if your member of Congress is a co-sponsor of H.R. 780 sponsored by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), which calls for an end to funding of our troops in Afghanistan except for the sole purposes of their withdrawal. If your rep has already co-sponsored, thank them. If not, urge them to co-sponsor using our easy online tool. This is the first step in getting this bill re-introduced in Congress."
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    Where are the conservative protesters?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    The correlation between TBI and PTSD is being studied. Having had someone, ex-military, I knew quite well with both was a life of internal torture for the man and rife with medical problems. At times he was unpredictable, unable to have close relationships for any extended time and was issued a medical dog to alert him before seizures would come.

    The specifics of a link between TBI and subsequent violent behavior haven’t been entirely parsed out by scientists. And surely no one factor could possibly lead to the kind of rampage seen in Afghanistan on Sunday. But myriad studies have concluded that a connection between TBI and violence does seem to exist.

    One report followed 850 young civilian adults over eight years, and found that those who’d suffered a TBI “reported more interpersonal violence” than their peers. Another, out of Sweden, tracked over 20,000 people for 35 years. That one, published earlier this year, noted that 9 percent of all TBI-afflicted study participants were implicated in a violent crime at some point after sustaining the injury. By comparison, only 3 percent of those without a brain injury ever committed a violent crime. The researchers concluded that TBI “significantly increased [the] risk” that an individual would behave violently.

    A major 2009 study of Iraq war veterans suffering from TBIs published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that TBI sufferers experienced “significantly more” mental health problems in the years following their injury. In particular, the patients exhibited symptoms of PTSD, which can include depression and aggression, though the study doesn’t specify which PTSD symptoms were most severely exacerbated.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    A soldier who methodically killed 16 people while they were at sleep in their homes, if he is not a terrorist then what is he?

    John Kerry calls American troops terrorists - YouTube

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    But not blowin' themselves up to harm civilians (who are strangers); that's definately nuts.
    The wanton killing of civilians is quite common, the IRA were doing it for several decades. Very few of them were certified insane. The concept of suicide missions is also quite common, and not always or even generally, the actions of the insane. Put the two together...
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    A soldier who methodically killed 16 people while they were at sleep in their homes, if he is not a terrorist then what is he?

    John Kerry calls American troops terrorists - YouTube

    I hesitate to call him a terrorist. Terrorists have a political purpose... the act of killing or horrific things are meant to promote something political as well as to promote shock and fear. Killing is just a means to an end to accomplish that goal. This guy - I don't see anything that shows he killed these people for a political reason. He's a murderer... maybe psychotic murderer. But I don't see how the label of "terrorist" can be levied at this time.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I hesitate to call him a terrorist. Terrorists have a political purpose... the act of killing or horrific things are meant to promote something political as well as to promote shock and fear. Killing is just a means to an end to accomplish that goal. This guy - I don't see anything that shows he killed these people for a political reason. He's a murderer... maybe psychotic murderer. But I don't see how the label of "terrorist" can be levied at this time.

    I agree, the soldier is not a terrorist. That is sensationalized and nonsensical babbling for those that wish to look under their beds for the Bogeyman.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I hesitate to call him a terrorist. Terrorists have a political purpose... the act of killing or horrific things are meant to promote something political as well as to promote shock and fear. Killing is just a means to an end to accomplish that goal. This guy - I don't see anything that shows he killed these people for a political reason. He's a murderer... maybe psychotic murderer. But I don't see how the label of "terrorist" can be levied at this time.
    This may not be a lone act. The Afghans claim they heard simultaneous shots. U.S. is denying this.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    This may not be a lone act. The Afghans claim they heard simultaneous shots. U.S. is denying this.
    So naturally: we trust the Afghanistanis. . . yes - that make sense.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So naturally: we trust the Afghanistanis. . . yes - that make sense.
    "Neighbours said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk.
    'They were all drunk and shooting


    Read more: US soldier kills 16 Afghan civilians in deadly shooting rampage | Mail Online

    US soldier kills 16 Afghan civilians in deadly shooting rampage | Mail Online

    Did the Army have a breathalizer? Did the US Army check the suspected soldier for Alcohol consumption? Is it possible that the Afghan witnesses thought there was more than one US soldier shouting, but that there was only one who was involved, and he was shouting, maybe with varied intonations?

    Do the Afghan Villagers ever invite soldiers for late night pot parties? Did this soldier misunderstand what he thought was an invitation to a pot party?




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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The correlation between TBI and PTSD is being studied. Having had someone, ex-military, I knew quite well with both was a life of internal torture for the man and rife with medical problems. At times he was unpredictable, unable to have close relationships for any extended time and was issued a medical dog to alert him before seizures would come.



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    Once again, hat tip Connery.....I think it is a shame that this solider was not monitored more closely due to how many deployments he has been in...

    this sounds like a failure of leadership as much as the fault of the solider himself.


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